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Old September 19th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #81
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Is it going to have the Serbian flag as well?
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Old September 19th, 2010, 08:21 PM   #82
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What a fantastic vid. The Hermitage reminded me a bit of our lost Twin Towers. I certainly hope they get built.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #83
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And, coth, what's exactly wrong with The Shard?
The fact its not in Moscow?
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Old September 20th, 2010, 02:03 AM   #84
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Exactly.. I think it's Russia or nothing for him - not really a fan of architecture.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 04:17 AM   #85
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you can try apply the same for youself. i'm not denying that both city of capitals and mercury turned out to be worse than they were on rendering.

and you both needs to grow up and learn how to be tolerant. constant offending is really very childish and not making you popular.

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you know to how to read russian forum. so feel free to read my comments on projects with same type of glass in russian forum. all of them are negative.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #86
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Definitely not, it's got worst glass among all built and u/c supertalls in Europe. Way too cheap. Actually none of European supertalls is nice. All of them turned out much worse than they were on renders.
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There is already cladding for a dozens of floors. When finished we will able to say how good is it looks from away. Now we already can say it's doesn't look good when looking close to it.
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you can try apply the same for youself. i'm not denying that both city of capitals and mercury turned out to be worse than they were on rendering.

and you both needs to grow up and learn how to be tolerant. constant offending is really very childish and not making you popular.

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you know to how to read russian forum. so feel free to read my comments on projects with same type of glass in russian forum. all of them are negative.

Oh come off it - I've asked you questions to explain your previous posts which you haven't answered. I accept that architecture is subjective but I'd like to know how much the Shard cladding cost because I didn't know it was cheap and also you say that "we" know it doesn't look good looking up close - who is we? I can't really see how that is offensive or childish - they're very basic questions, Coth.. and hardly intolerant.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 01:50 PM   #87
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You didn't ask any questions. You just threw insults.

As i noted - glass looks too cheap and simple - tintless, transparent, flat with almost no reflection.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 02:25 PM   #88
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glad its not got a tint, is opaque or is too reflective, all those things would make the shard look gimiky and tacky. The shards beauty is in its elgant design, made unfussy and enhanced by the classy cladding, if you want gaudy then have vegas or dubai.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #89
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I beg to differ (re; dark and reflective tint = tacky). If done correctly, a dark and reflective tint can look amazing. While I don't mind the Shard's glass, I definitely think the design of the structure makes up for what the glass may lack.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 02:56 PM   #90
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You didn't ask any questions. You just threw insults.

As i noted - glass looks too cheap and simple - tintless, transparent, flat with almost no reflection.
Sheesh, man - you must be very easily insulted, that wasn't how I meant to come across but at least at last you've given a bit of substance to your opinions in that post although I think your opinions have now lost a bit of credibility by saying the cladding has almost no reflection
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Old September 20th, 2010, 03:17 PM   #91
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ENK Complex 165m
PRISHTINA, SERBIA

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That complex in Prishtina looks really interesting, but this has nothing to do here, it's not a supertall and using this thread for serbian propaganda is a bit cheap lol. Im pretty sure that serbian flag will not be there, as Prishtina is officialy in an other country, Kosovo.

Same for the icon tower, it's not a supertall. As for this thread I think the shard will suit its skyline the best and hermitage tower will look the most impressive
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Old September 20th, 2010, 03:53 PM   #92
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you know to how to read russian forum. so feel free to read my comments on projects with same type of glass in russian forum. all of them are negative.
Fair enough.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 04:02 PM   #93
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Certainly, the Shard - the best supertall of Great Britain, but Europe has for a long time already capital of the best supertalls)
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Old September 21st, 2010, 12:39 AM   #94
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Shard tower London it's impressive.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 01:51 AM   #95
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Certainly, the Shard - the best supertall of Great Britain, but Europe has for a long time already capital of the best supertalls)
And that is...?
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 08:06 PM   #96
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Definitely not, it's got worst glass among all built and u/c supertalls in Europe. Way too cheap.
I agree. What we've seen of the London Bridge Tower (Shard)'s cladding so far is rather cheap. It's like an under average cladding at La Défense. I would have imagined for such a hyped building in the center of their city they would have invested in a more sophisticated cladding, like for example the cladding of Tour Opus at La Défense.



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Old September 23rd, 2010, 04:00 AM   #97
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I agree. What we've seen of the London Bridge Tower (Shard)'s cladding so far is rather cheap. It's like an under average cladding at La Défense. I would have imagined for such a hyped building in the center of their city they would have invested in a more sophisticated cladding, like for example the cladding of Tour Opus at La Défense.
For me such cladding is the opposite of sophistication. Sophistication is subtle, like the Shard.
It's certainly not cheap, and it spans the entire floor unlike the Federation Tower, if I remember correctly. In fact in a thread pitting LBT againt the Fed Tower I find it laughable that the former's cladding is being called 'cheap'.

The Shard's cladding suits it perfectly. It looks like a glass shard. It's also somewhat distinguished, rather than resembling the appearance of every other Chinese tower.

I find LBT much more aesthetically appealing than the Russian tower.
However, the Hermitage Towers planned for La Defense are by far my favourite in Europe and probably the world.

I was going to use that to suggest I'm not just being patriotic, but seem to remember Hermitage's architect is British. Oh well. But yes, skyscrapers are not something I'm particularly patriotic about, just opinionated.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 11:15 AM   #98
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Is it going to have the Serbian flag as well?
Well , Albanians are insisting on the Serbian flag being there but the government in Belgrade is opposed cuz it isn't their official building. We'll start negotiations on it soon.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 11:26 AM   #99
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Old September 30th, 2010, 07:10 PM   #100
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As i noted - glass looks too cheap and simple - tintless, transparent, flat with almost no reflection.
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I agree. What we've seen of the London Bridge Tower (Shard)'s cladding so far is rather cheap. It's like an under average cladding at La Défense. I would have imagined for such a hyped building in the center of their city they would have invested in a more sophisticated cladding, like for example the cladding of Tour Opus at La Défense.
Renzo Piano on the shards cladding.....

The Shard will use an advanced type of glass with
a low iron content that means it is completely clear,
rather than having the greenish tinge of most
architectural glass.
“If you use low iron glass you end up with something
that really is like a crystal”, he says. “It will not
look like a massive glass meteorite – choom! – as
many towers do. It’s going to be more vibrant and
changing. So depending on the day, the light and the
position of the sun, the building will look different”.
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