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Old October 1st, 2010, 01:35 AM   #101
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Completely agree with that. Reflective/tinted glass is so 80's.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 02:11 AM   #102
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I would go with Tours Hermitage eventually. For now probably the Shard.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 02:13 AM   #103
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The Shard will use an advanced type of glass with
a low iron content that means it is completely clear,
rather than having the greenish tinge of most
architectural glass.
“If you use low iron glass you end up with something
that really is like a crystal”, he says.
Crystal reflects light. The Shard's cladding doesn't. A totally transparent glass is the most stupid idea I've ever heard. It will be bland. Plus you'll see the stores and curtains inside the building, which is ugly (cf. Cœur Défense tower for instance).

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Old October 1st, 2010, 02:43 AM   #104
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whats wrong with curtains ? not everyone wants to have the sun shinning on their face..
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Old October 1st, 2010, 02:54 AM   #105
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Old October 1st, 2010, 03:20 AM   #106
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I think the Shard is the best by miles. Hermitage is better than anything in Moscow, and pips the Pinnacle too, but it's still nowhere near as elegant and graceful as the Shard. I think this a rock solid contender for the most beautiful skyscraper ever built.

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Old October 1st, 2010, 04:24 AM   #107
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whats wrong with curtains ? not everyone wants to have the sun shinning on their face..
Curtains are ugly. They distract from the unity of the tower. They create a pixelated effect that many people find unpleasant.

There are intelligent ways to hide the curtains so that they are not visible from the outside (such as tinted glasses, double skins, etc.), but with totally transparent glasses, they are going to be as visible as in Cœur Défense I'm afraid.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 04:29 AM   #108
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I think this a rock solid contender for the most beautiful skyscraper ever built.
Langur/Monkey and his hyperbolic superlatives still active at SSC I see.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 05:42 AM   #109
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Curtains are ugly. They distract from the unity of the tower. They create a pixelated effect that many people find unpleasant.

There are intelligent ways to hide the curtains so that they are not visible from the outside (such as tinted glasses, double skins, etc.), but with totally transparent glasses, they are going to be as visible as in Cœur Défense I'm afraid.
Isn't the LBT going to be double-skinned? That should more or less hide the ugly curtains effect seen on that tower in La Defense.

I am by no means a stubborn advocate of The Shard as the best and only (I believe Langur is exaggerating it a bit ) but I have always found transparent glass to be very sexy and cool which makes the building look light and elegant. The shape of this building is perfectly suited for this. Of course the only way to know for sure is to wait and see. The wait is not too long anyway. I hope we'll be able to come back to this discussions after the facade will be fully installed on the entire frame.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 05:50 AM   #110
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....Piano is similarly proud of the building’s sustainable
credentials: it will use around 30% less energy
than other comparable buildings. This is achieved
by a combination of sophisticated materials,
such as the triple-skin glass façade containing
computer-controlled venetian blinds that will shield
occupants from the sun and reduce the need for
air conditioning. “At night, and when you don’t
have sun – which happens in London – the blinds
will disappear”, he says.

http://www.shardlondonbridge.com/dow...book_final.pdf
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Old October 1st, 2010, 05:52 AM   #111
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Ok, so it will be triple-skinned facade and not even double skinned. I guess this is where the "ugly curtains" argument comes to an end.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 11:34 AM   #112
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Langur/Monkey and his hyperbolic superlatives still active at SSC I see.
You're so envious. You must really hate the Shard, right?
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Old October 1st, 2010, 12:24 PM   #113
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Langur/Monkey and his hyperbolic superlatives still active at SSC I see.
Brisavoine and his anti British trolling still active at SSC i see.......

Tell me, what shade of green are you every time you look in the Shard construction thread...?

The fact, that the ONLY time you seem to mention The Shard is to criticise it, speaks volumes about your petty insecurities regarding London.

And the fact you try and compare cladding on towers in LD, which are just about THE biggest collection of cheaply designed,built and clad towers in Europe, shows just how laughable your critiscisms of The Shard is.

Do try better next time...
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Old October 1st, 2010, 04:22 PM   #114
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I agree. What we've seen of the London Bridge Tower (Shard)'s cladding so far is rather cheap. It's like an under average cladding at La Défense.
Seriously WTF....are we looking at the same building...

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Your trolling of anything UK, really is desperate Brisavoine.....
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Old October 1st, 2010, 05:24 PM   #115
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Keep on going with your ad hominems Xfire101 (or should I say RiffRaff? CrazyMac?), you'll be banned as quickly as the last times under your different pseudonyms.

PS: Rather bland cladding in your pic by the way.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 05:28 PM   #116
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Isn't the LBT going to be double-skinned?
Some people say the façade we see now is the definite one, other say another layer of cladding is going to be added, so it's difficult to know. That's why I said "so far". So far it's rather bland and disappointing.
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Old October 1st, 2010, 05:31 PM   #117
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Keep on going with your ad hominems Xfire101 (or should I say RiffRaff? CrazyMac?), you'll be banned as quickly as the last times under your different pseudonyms. .
You keep alluding to this every post i make....either prove it or STFU....

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PS: Rather bland cladding in your pic by the way.
Not as bland as your trolling.....what a sad, bitter and twisted individual you are....

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Old October 17th, 2010, 02:08 AM   #118
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Brisavoine, I had never seen that rendering before! Where did you get it from? I guess it's not very recent as we can see the late lamented Signal tower in the background...(I'm not being ironic!)

What about that tower in the foreground (bottom left)? I didn't know they planned to build one right there...cool!

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Old October 17th, 2010, 06:03 PM   #120
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Brisavoine, I had never seen that rendering before! Where did you get it from? I guess it's not very recent as we can see the late lamented Signal tower in the background...(I'm not being ironic!)

What about that tower in the foreground (bottom left)? I didn't know they planned to build one right there...cool!

Thanks anyway...
The rendering comes from the Axe Majeur project (burrying the A14/N13 in a tunnel below Neuilly-sur-Seine and creating a true urban continuity between the City of Paris and La Défense). The tower to the left is one proposal in that Axe Majeur project. Also note that Signal Tower has not been abandonned according to Jean Nouvel (he's still negociating with some investors).

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