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View Poll Results: answer plz
Yes, they are 41 33.06%
No, they are not 72 58.06%
I don't know 6 4.84%
skyscrapers are nothing... 5 4.03%
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Old December 18th, 2005, 07:41 AM   #61
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You are right with the second, but not the first. As for Switzerland: we have an enormous land shortage. Our 7.5mio live on 1/3 of the country's area of 41'000km2, the rest are mountains, lakes and rivers. The Swiss midlands are one of the densest areas in Europe apart from Ruhr, Holland and Lombardia. And farmland is still important as well as that 1/3 is forest which is protected by law since more than 100 years. Anyway every day two football fields of area are overbuild per day! So now you can calculate how important theoretically skyscrapers are. Anyway since a few years they build and plan again... but there are also restrictions and possible local referendas that postpone a lot of the projects.
So why don't Swiss build skyscrapers--- this can reduce your city into a small core like Winnipeg does with massive skyscrapers likeHong Kong, build them surrounding the core. Those small, ugly commieblocks makes me think of rundown suburbs in Toronto and Vancouver... or even Hong Kong!
e-scraper scattering all over the city and Zurich should build them to show that Zurich is really more developed than Canada or Australia.


By the way, Hong Kong shows how to develop a city with small area similar to Zurich... they build something like commie-scrapers. If Zurich is really more developed than Winnipeg, then use your land wisely, farms have to look huge like Winnipeg does, and skyscrapers build like Hong Konger does. Zurich will look like Calgary by then, and more compact than Calgary.
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Old December 18th, 2005, 01:05 PM   #62
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But I voted "I dont' know", since it seems it's somewhat related, but also shows a lot of exceptional cases.
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Old December 18th, 2005, 05:43 PM   #63
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A country can still be third world whether or not it has skyscrapers.
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Old December 19th, 2005, 12:12 PM   #64
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A country can still be third world whether or not it has skyscrapers.
But building skyscrapers cost a lot, if a community is too poor they might not be able to afford it.
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Old December 19th, 2005, 12:25 PM   #65
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most skyscrapers are privately funded...built by rich companies wanting to do business in that city.
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Old December 19th, 2005, 12:32 PM   #66
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You can't compare Canadian law and history to the Swiss one. Our municipalities are extremly small in size and unfortunatly cross-border politics and plannings are rather poor. Canada is the second country of the planet in size and has only about 3-4 times our population. Farmland is extensive and only in big scale farming existing while here every few km there are protected forests, riversides, old towns etc. You can't just build a 150m skyscraper next to an medieval town. We don't have pure CBDs but funcionally mixed neighbourhoods even in the central parts. It took years til skyscrapers were again allowed to build now and even now the architects have to fear protests and legal steps against their projects if they throw too much shadow on a living neighbourhood It's not only the Swiss law that is restrictive but also the legalizing procedure. This is also a reason why our country was giving birth to some of the greatest architects in history since the Rennaissance - but til now most of them have to realize their projects abroad. On the other hand Calatrava and Forster are popular and busy building in the country - Zurich is also Calatravas second home.

If it would be up to me I wouldn't make the same mistake as Singapore but to conserve the old parts and build a dense skyscraper cluster in a distant neighbourhood e.g. La Defense. And a think like that was also planned in Zürich West in the 90s - including a Turning Torso long before Malmö
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It took years til skyscrapers were again allowed to build now and even now the architects have to fear protests and legal steps against their projects if they throw too much shadow on a living neighbourhood It's not only the Swiss law that is restrictive but also the legalizing procedure. This is also a reason why our country was giving birth to some of the greatest architects in history since the Rennaissance - but til now most of them have to realize their projects abroad. On the other hand Calatrava and Forster are popular and busy building in the country - Zurich is also Calatravas second home.
Calatrava and Foster build more low-rise architecture than skyscrapers, but his design is superb!

It's usual for people living under heavy shadow in Hong Kong, or even in Singapore, NYC, Sao Paulo or any cities with a dense skyscraper core. But most of these cities are found in North America or lesser extent in Oceania, with some scatter around Asia/ Latin America, and it's rare in Europe and Africa.
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Old December 19th, 2005, 09:09 PM   #68
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I don't know why this is discussed so much. Europe got developed before the scyscrapers were possible to be build, so they don't have them (at least not in great numbers).

Europe MUST be left out of this discussion, it is a special case schenario.
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most skyscrapers are privately funded...built by rich companies wanting to do business in that city.
However, private developements don't do much for helping the public in getting developed.
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Old December 20th, 2005, 03:58 AM   #70
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Yes to certain degree. But you cannot tell a country's development based solely on the increase of the no. of skyscrapers in the country.
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depends...

if the businesses occupying those scrapers can provide a considerable amount of white collar workers among the resident population (openings for office jobs mean a population having the equivalent educational qualifications and naturally the level of educated potential employees is due noted by foreign companies before they decide to set up in a city) then it can be an economic help, boosting a larger section of population into the middle-classes shares bought in successful local corporations can help economic change too
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Old December 20th, 2005, 07:22 AM   #73
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i say no because north korea is building skyscrapers just to prove that it can, but their economy is bankrupt.
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No they aren't, they built one, the 105 storie hotel that stands uncompleted.
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No they aren't, they built one, the 105 storie hotel that stands uncompleted.
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Old December 20th, 2005, 07:39 AM   #76
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pyong yang has more than one skyscraper/high rise.
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But they aren't in a boom or building them like crazy, there are dozens or places in the world that are building bigger and better skyscrapers. So how are building just a few skyscrapers, a sign of just because they can? elaborate.
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But they aren't in a boom or building them like crazy, there are dozens or places in the world that are building bigger and better skyscrapers. So how are building just a few skyscrapers, a sign of just because they can? elaborate.
i said that skyscrapers are not the signs of a good economy because anyone can build them, did you even read my first post?
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Yes, and while you may agree that skyscrapers are not a sign of economic development, you also said that North Korea is building skyscrapers with almost no money just to prove they can, which is entirely not true.
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Having a skyscraper isnt development but constantly building skyscrapers is a sign of development (not the sign of development)
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