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Old December 18th, 2005, 03:41 PM   #1
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FRANKFURT | PalaisQuartier | 136m | 35 fl | 99m | 28 fl | Com

FRANKFURT:

Palais Quartier / FrankfurtHochVier (35st + 28st + mall + palace)

STATS:

Type: Mixed-use development

1. Tower @ Thurn & Taxis Palais – 130m/426ft (140m/459ft including spires), 35 floors, office
2. Hotel @ Thurn & Taxis Palais – 99m/325ft, 28 floors, hotel
3. Zeilforum – 44m/144ft, 8 floors, retail
4. Thurn & Taxis Palais Reconstruction

Size:

Gross Floor Space above ground: 120 500 sq m (1 296 580 sq ft)
Gross Floor Space underground: 105 500 sq m (1 135 180 sq ft)
Retail: 48 500 sq m (521 860 sq ft)
Office: 42 000 sq m (451 920 sq ft)
Hotel/Residential: 20 500 sq m (220 580 sq ft)
Parking: 1 390 cars


Location: Frankfurt Zeil – Europe’s biggest pedestrian mall

Architect: KSP Engel & Zimmermann (Frankfurt), Massimiliano Fuksas (Rome), Martha Schwarz (New York)

Developer: MAB B.V. (The Hague)

Date of completion: 2009

Website: http://www.frankfurthochvier.de/


Facts:

Replacing the main post office and one of Frankfurt’s first highrise buildings after World War II – the 75m/246ft T-Hochhaus.
Original reconstruction of an 18th century palace (1727), designed by Robert de Cotte (Paris), the court architect for Louis XIV, the french “sun king” – which was mostly demolished after WWII
Costs: € 960 000 000 ( over 1.4 bn US $)



Photos:

1. Area of the redevelopment


2. Overview of the project


3. Another rendering


4. Yet another one


5. Model


6. Model


7. Model


8. Shopping mall


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13. Inside the mall


14. Model of the palace


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17. One of the roof gardens. The highest will be 90m/295ft.


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Old December 18th, 2005, 03:42 PM   #2
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In addition to the project presented above, the same developer aquired the adjacent site of the former headquarter of a Frankfurt newspaper.

It is planned to erect a separate project, which will resemble the FrankfurtHochVier project.
Demolition of the complex is due to begin after christmas.
Date of completion: 2008, together with FrankfurtHochVier
Langhof Architects (Berlin) are currently working on the design.

1. The additional project will be located in the red area



2. No.1 shows the complex which will be replaced, no.2 shows the area of the FrankfurtHochVier development before demolition





Btw. the building to be demolished for this project was modelled after a famous building in the US. Any idea, which one?
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Old December 19th, 2005, 12:06 AM   #3
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Great project, but not tall enough for Frankfurt!
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Old December 19th, 2005, 02:52 AM   #4
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Old December 19th, 2005, 08:10 PM   #5
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Quote:
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Great project, but not tall enough for Frankfurt!

true, but it's going to be built in a mainly lowrise area - with only a few midrises in the area (see pic). so it will stick out quite a lot.

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Ill post a few demolition and construction pics later.

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Old December 19th, 2005, 09:17 PM   #6
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800.000.000
A little bit more and you could build the Burj Dubai >_<

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Old December 19th, 2005, 09:39 PM   #7
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Old December 19th, 2005, 09:41 PM   #8
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Quote:
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800.000.000
A little bit more and you could build the Burj Dubai >_<
True, It's really too expensive to build in Germany!
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Old December 19th, 2005, 10:19 PM   #9
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@ HD

I Know. It's not in the main cluster. But very close there is a very nice residential tower.

The frankfurt skyline is getting more spread out with this tower.
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Old December 19th, 2005, 10:51 PM   #10
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Nice Project
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Old December 19th, 2005, 10:58 PM   #11
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@lucky luke:

its about 2 times as expansive to built sth in germany than the same building for example in the us
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Old December 19th, 2005, 11:07 PM   #12
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I like it. Well employed space. Shows how a not so tall dev. can impact a neighborhood for the best.
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@lucky luke:

its about 2 times as expansive to built sth in germany than the same building for example in the us

really?


by the way, a large chunk of the construction costs is always the cost of land - the dutch developer apparently paid 240 million uros for this lot (plus another 45 million for the small adjacent lot).
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800,000,000

is that the main problem in Germany why there are no big skyscraper projects?
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It's amazing project, but I don't know if they sould safe that Palace. It's any monument? It will look too small and ridicolous beside this modern tall building and mall.
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I totally agree. the palace looks out of place. unfortunately the developer has to reconstruct the palace - only because of this the city gave the approval to built two taller towers. when the project was announced, there was only one small midrise planned.

sercan: this could be one of the problems. but I have to say this project is exceptional - due to it's complexity and location (and of course the exremly expensive cost of land). the european central bank is starting their 184m twisting skyscraper project in frankfurt in 2006 and it will only cost 500 million .
so you see, you can built taller with less money.
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sercan: this could be one of the problems. but I have to say this project is exceptional - due to it's complexity and location (and of course the exremly expensive cost of land). the european central bank is starting their 184m twisting skyscraper project in frankfurt in 2006 and it will only cost 500 million .
so you see, you can built taller with less money.

"only" 500 mil. for the ECB
actzually thats a little bit unfair for Germany
the Dubai Towers Istanbul will cost 625 mil. (500 Towers and 125 land)
BUT its normal for a +300m tower

the high prizes are not good for the German "Bauindustrie"
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BTW
i like that project very much
it has got a high quality
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really a wonderful proyect

congratulation for the city
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Old December 20th, 2005, 05:46 PM   #20
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HI! I have a question. About the little Palace, did that exist and was demolished to be reconstructed, or it didn큧 exist!?

Because in the picture "1. Area of the redevelopment" we can see it but with some diferent caracteristics, then in the demolition pic we cant see it.
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