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Old December 20th, 2005, 06:07 PM   #21
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OK, now I read it will be a reconstruction. But was it totaly demolished or what!?
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Old December 20th, 2005, 06:14 PM   #22
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Yes they totally demolished it.

At the moment Frankfurt HochVier (Zeil-Projekt) is the best projekt u/c in Germany
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Old December 20th, 2005, 06:42 PM   #23
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Thanks HT! It´s really a great project!! And I´m happy for the reconstruction, that´s a beautiful Palace
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Old December 20th, 2005, 06:49 PM   #24
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this:



reminds me of this, in a small mall in Sao Paulo - Brazil:



the facade/entrence o this mall:

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Old December 22nd, 2005, 12:03 AM   #25
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is that the main problem in Germany why there are no big skyscraper projects?
I don't think that the high prices are the main reason. There's just no need for big offices right now.
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Old December 22nd, 2005, 02:11 AM   #26
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And there are a lot of very stupid laws in germany and a lot of stupid people who are against everything !!!

Thats in fact a reason why nearly none of the many nice planned skyscraperprojekts in Frankfurt never get realized!!!
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Old December 24th, 2005, 03:22 AM   #27
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Amazing future Model pictures of Frankfurt including FrankfurtHochVier
note: white building are u/c, future projects or visions!


http://deutsches-architektur-forum.d...ead.php?t=4879
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Old December 24th, 2005, 02:05 PM   #28
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Very nice, but nearly all planned projekts are on ice or dead..: (
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Old December 24th, 2005, 03:40 PM   #29
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good to see that finally a tower is u/c in Frankfurt...has been to quiet in that city!
Also good to see were we Dutch devellopers spend our money on
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Old December 24th, 2005, 03:51 PM   #30
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Great project.
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Old December 24th, 2005, 06:12 PM   #31
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The tower isn't that appealing to me, however what I find truly amazing is the fact that they're still building in Frankfurt!
With all the talks with Eastern European countries, London and Madrid building up their towers, on top of that with everything that is being done all over Asia, Frankfurt was just silenced, I even thought it was almost dead, no new towers to expect from that city.
Even thought this is still too low for a city like Frankfurt, I guess it's better than nothing.
And I'll have to agree with the rest of ya, 800 million Euros!
seems very expensive to me
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Old December 24th, 2005, 06:28 PM   #32
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The main problem of frankfurt is the vacancy rate, but it's still a good news to see hat project going up.
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Old December 24th, 2005, 07:07 PM   #33
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^well I believe it does have something to do with a growing competition from all over Europe, starting in Germany itself, since Hamburg is building too.
But you're right, the tower isn't that bad and if they're building it, it means they're optimistic about the situation in the city
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Old December 24th, 2005, 08:05 PM   #34
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^well I believe it does have something to do with a growing competition from all over Europe, starting in Germany itself, since Hamburg is building too.
But you're right, the tower isn't that bad and if they're building it, it means they're optimistic about the situation in the city
We building in Frankfurt still more skyscrapers per people than London and Madrid. You have to remember that Frankfurt is a small city compared to the others.
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Old December 24th, 2005, 10:07 PM   #35
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The tower isn't that appealing to me, however what I find truly amazing is the fact that they're still building in Frankfurt!
With all the talks with Eastern European countries, London and Madrid building up their towers, on top of that with everything that is being done all over Asia, Frankfurt was just silenced, I even thought it was almost dead, no new towers to expect from that city.
Even thought this is still too low for a city like Frankfurt, I guess it's better than nothing.
And I'll have to agree with the rest of ya, 800 million Euros!
seems very expensive to me
It's not that Frankfurt was really dead. Frankfurt always had high quality Projects. In the last 2 years such as Blue Heaven, Westend Duo, Skyper, Main Triangel etc... and in the next 2 years the ECB Tower, Tectum Tower and others. That's pretty good for a city with a population of 600000 and don't forget that there's a big national competition with Berlin, Düsseldorf, Munich and Hamburg. London, Warsaw or Paris don't have any national competitions.
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Old December 24th, 2005, 11:03 PM   #36
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But you're right, the tower isn't that bad and if they're building it, it means they're optimistic about the situation in the city
There are a couple of old ugly towers in Frankfurt that should be razed and replaced by new and possibly higher constructions. I don't know how is the office demand at the moment in Frankfurt, but downtown FFM has not even a true mall. This one will be more than welcome.
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Old December 25th, 2005, 01:44 AM   #38
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some people have a real misconcepsion of the situation in frankfurt. it is true, that the vacancy rate is pretty high with 14.7 % but the office take up/demand is pretty high - there is only a few cities, like london, paris or muinch in europe, that have a larger demand per year. frankfurt is also still building more than most european cities.

and because no one cared to post some pics of current frankfurt projects, it doesn't mean there arean't any. frankfurt is still building a lot and it is again no.1 in germany in terms of construction - despite the real estate crisis (office, not residential - the residential market is booming as ever!).
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Old December 25th, 2005, 01:57 AM   #39
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The renderings look really nice, it is a very promising project.
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Old December 25th, 2005, 11:00 AM   #40
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There are a couple of old ugly towers in Frankfurt that should be razed and replaced by new and possibly higher constructions. I don't know how is the office demand at the moment in Frankfurt, but downtown FFM has not even a true mall. This one will be more than welcome.

why would the biggest pedestrian street in europe need a mall?
but I agree - it's a welcoming addition.



anyway...some ugly towers are being demolished and replaced by others:


this


is getting replaced by this












this
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=109599

is being replaced by this


here are a few brand new construction pics
















and this


is currently being replaced by this










the good news is, all this projects have large pre-lets and the demand is increasing aswell. despite having the highest vacancy rate in history of the city, it still is much lower than the rate of most american or asian cities.

frankfurt had extremly low vanacy rates for decades - so the current vacancy rate is being percieved as extremly high - but in other cities this has been normal for years and no one is complaining. it's a bit like the whole situation in germany: moaning at a high level.
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