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Old April 4th, 2012, 01:06 PM   #2961
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I would like these buildings demolished, because they have nothing to do with the original plan and the architects' vision.There is simply no building which looks as it was intended originally, everything is elongated, disfigured and made of cheap materials. And yes, there are fires during constructions, mostly in the third world countries. As for Russia, almost EVERY single major construction site across Russia had fire. Which sort of gives a clue....
This cluster is a shame, a disgrace, an ugly parody, the symbol of inferiority in every aspect from managing, financing to the construction technology. Federation tower should be listed as the slowest construction project and least efficiently managed project on the planet. 2 fires, several changes of the construction contractors each time with ever worse company, construction errors and scandals with the ownership debates, erratic technology that weakened monolith concrete structure, the cliff in the foundation and the overly expensive overall process.
Are you retarded? This cluster is (probably) the best one you will find on the whole planet. You can say it is slow because Russia has been affected by the financial crisis but saying the towers are disfigured or the whole cluster is a shame is somewhat ridiculous. I dare you to show me a set of towers that are better than this.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #2962
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Are you retarded? This cluster is (probably) the best one you will find on the whole planet. You can say it is slow because Russia has been affected by the financial crisis but saying the towers are disfigured or the whole cluster is a shame is somewhat ridiculous. I dare you to show me a set of towers that are better than this.
None of these words will ever change what this cluster actually is - a mockery, a copy of the large clusters such as La Defence, Manhattan's financial district and overall downtown, even tacky Shanghai surpasses Moscow by the quantity and apparently - quality. Frankfurt, City, La Defence, - they all have a clear utilitarian purpose, whereas Moscow city is just a cheap showoff that they cannot even build properly. And financial crisis has little to do with this, because they started this whole project based on a complicated investment scheme that wasn't exactly all civilized. Mercury city tower will have originally unintended elongation of the top section that will look too narrow, The City of Capitals got two little ridiculous huts on the top that architect didn't want to see there. Developer and architect even had this case considered in court. Dirty money won. So, they don't respect the architects' ideas. No proper parking system and poorly designed transportation solution. Cheap glass cladding that breaks when seasons change. Federation tower has a cliff in the concrete foundation. This cluster, maybe, looks ok at night, but it is a monument of grandiose and cheap showoff, all tacky and very freudian in nature. Moscow deserves better than that. Having this eyesore being constructed for almost a decade with occasional fires, construction accidents, ownership debates, on-hold pauses and overall negligence to the architects opinion.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #2963
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Is this really the right place to discuss something like that?
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Old April 4th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #2964
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Is this really the right place to discuss something like that?
i think it is indeed precisely the pertinent place to point this out.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 02:47 PM   #2965
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Yaww, are you the architect of the Mercury City Tower and that's why you try to bring up this over and over again because it's your plan of the tower that has been changed or what?

Really, please enough of your BS in this thread. How many times do you still have to express your opinion about the MIBC?
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Old April 4th, 2012, 03:03 PM   #2966
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YaWW

Ok, we understand your opinion! Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but for me this is the best wrinkle Klaster with Skyscrapers in the whole World! So please be quiet now and propagating no them bad things. OK
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Old April 4th, 2012, 03:05 PM   #2967
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Yaww, are you the architect of the Mercury City Tower
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Its good to see the fire at Federation Tower didn't seem to do much damage as i think that is one of the best buildings of Moscow's cluster
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Old April 4th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #2968
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Envy, Jealousy and stupidity is all i can say about this stone age fool that keeps throwing comments about things that he/she knows nothing about. For your information YaWW, this buildings are privately owned and as such can be altered architeturally as and when the owners feel so. You again claims that MIBC is a copy of La Defence, Manhattan's financial district (which you seem to rate so much) but then come and critisise what you say is a copy. I guess if this was a copy of La Defence, Manhattan's financial district then that means that you like it since its a copy of those two. You are a retard YaWW.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #2969
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Nice photo angles i must say Evrasia.

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Old April 4th, 2012, 05:31 PM   #2970
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Major feelings have been caught in this thread.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 07:56 PM   #2971
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Then, again, I suspect YaWW is just having some fun at our expense. MIBC is the largest development project in Moscow since Seven Sisters, I think, and it does have problems, lack of parking space and public spaces being the major ones (access roads, too, but they're at least under construction). It is destined to be unfinished for another 5-10 years since there are so many projects and companies involved and will remain an easy target for blames of 'it will never be complete' kind.

The funniest argument, though, is "Moscow deserves better than that". Well, kiddo, this is true for 95% of all buildings in Moscow, since very few buildings outside historical downtown carry any architectural merit. And even most of those XVIII-XIX century buildings in central district aren't considered true monuments by architectural critics since best buildings of that era were built in Saint Petersburg, the capital at the time. This doesn't mean we should destroy 95% of Moscow and smell the ashes. You want to build a skyscraper you like - open up a $1bn credit line and go ahead.

It also feels awkward to argue with another Russian in English, but since YaWW pissed off everyone at Russian section he's resorted to international threads.
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Old April 4th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #2972
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Old April 6th, 2012, 03:10 AM   #2973
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Then, again, I suspect YaWW is just having some fun at our expense.
Nah, I looked up his IP, then after a few steps, it seems like he escaped from a hospital, back in 1998. Remember, YaWW?
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Old April 8th, 2012, 04:09 AM   #2974
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I've edited Moscow's ibc to make it look like what it would look like in the future.
I'm sorry if it looks totally wrong and I have no idea who took the photo, hope they won't be mad at me
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Old April 8th, 2012, 01:29 PM   #2975
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Old April 8th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #2976
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I love the IBC cluster, it's gonna look incredible when it's finished and all the landscaping is done
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Old April 8th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #2977
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Old April 13th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #2979
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