Population and birth control (one-child) 人口与计划生育

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right

[Kiss the Rain]

Wow, go wuhan, never knew it's so big.

[LordChaos80]

Originally Posted by z0rg

Are you sure you are including immigrants in those numbers? On the other hand, if we counted metropolitan areas the numbers should be much higher.

In my opinion it doesn´t make much sense to count those armies of workers who immigrated from rural areas on a seasonal employment base. Then we also have those immigrants who come on a long term base and do serious labour (teachers, soldiers, nurses, retailers, taxi drivers...): They usually register and therefore get counted by the administrations. But what to do about those huge numbers of prostitutes and massage ladies? Most of them have immigrated from other cities or from rural areas without registration (of course), but nonetheless stay for considerably long time. Especially in Wuhan and in some areas of Shanghai and Guangzhou I had the feeling that there must be hundreds of thousands of them. As their numbers can hardly be estimated, I guess it´s better to leave them aside.

About the metropolitan area problem: U can check Shenzhen on google earth or any recent map and u will see that the genuine Shenzhen is still a rather "small" city compared to the really big ones and that the surrounding metropolitan agglomeration is very fragmented and spread over a huge area. Therefore I think can hardly be regarded as ONE city. This has to do with the former restrictive immigration policy that was applied on Shenzhen because of its promotion as a special economic zone: The visible result of that policy actually is a whole bunch of satellite cities, where immigrated workers without a Shenzhen hukou could stay on a very blurry legal base. Some of these cities are closer to Dongguan than to Shenzhen and I hardly see a reason to count them in, while others, namely Bao'an, Nanshan and perhaps Buji geographically affiliated with Shenzhen during their growth. Finally, one has to decide wether to count the population of the whole area between Dongguan and Xianggang as citizen of Shenzhen (~17-18 million) or that of those areas which form a spacially unified urban area (~5,5-6 million). I consider the latter method to be more rational. Any other opinions on this?

[LordChaos80]

Found another interesting and nonetheless arguable ranking for global major agglomerations. What we can see again is that different approaches of measurement were applied on the examined urban regions leading to realistic results in some cases as well as to laughable ones in others. Example: While they even counted Yokohoma, Kawasaki etc. for Tokyo, they have actually not included Tanggu and surrounding areas for Tianjin. I guess we will never find a chart which is fully reliable. A pity indeed... Also check rank 34... lol Now even Washington is bigger than Hongkong, haha...

1 Tōkyō Tokyo Japan 34,200,000 incl. Yokohama, Kawasaki, Saitama
2 Ciudad de México Mexico City Mexico 22,800,000 incl. Nezahualcóyotl, Ecatepec, Naucalpan
3 Seoul (Sŏul) Seoul South Korea 22,300,000 incl. Bucheon, Goyang, Incheon, Seongnam, Suweon
4 New York New York USA 21,900,000 incl. Newark, Paterson
5 São Paulo Sao Paulo Brazil 20,200,000 incl. Guarulhos
6 Mumbai Bombay India 19,850,000 incl. Kalyan, Thane, Ulhasnagar
7 Delhi Delhi India 19,700,000 incl. Faridabad, Ghaziabad
8 Shanghai Shanghai China 18,150,000
9 Los Angeles Los Angeles USA 18,000,000 incl. Riverside, Anaheim
10 Ōsaka Osaka Japan 16,800,000 incl. Kobe, Kyoto
11 Jakarta Jakarta Indonesia 16,550,000 incl. Bekasi, Bogor, Depok, Tangerang
12 Kolkata Calcutta India 15,650,000 incl. Haora
13 Al-Qāhirah Cairo Egypt 15,600,000 incl. Al-Jizah, Shubra al-Khaymah
14 Manila Manila Philippines 14,950,000 incl. Kalookan, Quezon City
15 Karāchi Karachi Pakistan 14,300,000
16 Moskva Moscow Russia 13,750,000
17 Buenos Aires Buenos Aires Argentina 13,450,000 incl. San Justo, La Plata
18 Dhaka Dacca Bangladesh 13,250,000
19 Rio de Janeiro Rio de Janeiro Brazil 12,150,000 incl. Nova Iguaçu, São Gonçalo
20 Beijing Beijing China 12,100,000
21 London London Great Britain and Northern Ireland 12,000,000
22 Tehrān Tehran Iran 11,850,000 incl. Karaj
23 İstanbul Istanbul Turkey 11,500,000
24 Lagos Lagos Nigeria 11,100,000
25 Shenzhen Shenzhen China 10,700,000
26 Paris Paris France 9,950,000
27 Chicago Chicago USA 9,750,000
28 Guangzhou Canton China 9,550,000
29 Chongqing Chungking China 9,350,000
30 Wuhan Wuhan China 9,100,000
31 Lima Lima Peru 8,550,000
32 Krung Thep Bangkok Thailand 8,450,000
33 Bogotá (Santa Fe de) Bogota Colombia 8,350,000
34 Washington Washington USA 8,150,000 incl. Baltimore
35 Nagoya Nagoya Japan 8,050,000
36 Chennai Madras India 7,600,000
37 Lahore Lahore Pakistan 7,550,000
38 Hong Kong (Xianggang) Hong Kong China 7,400,000 incl. Kowloon
39 Johannesburg Johannesburg South Africa 7,400,000 incl. Soweto, East Rand, West Rand
40 San Francisco San Francisco USA 7,250,000 incl. Oakland, San Jose
41 Bangalore Bangalore India 7,100,000
42 Kinshasa Kinshasa Congo (Dem. Rep.) 7,000,000
43 Taipei (Taibei) Taipei Taiwan 6,950,000
44 Hyderābād Hyderabad India 6,700,000
45 Tianjin Tientsin China 6,350,000
46 Dallas Dallas USA 6,000,000 incl. Fort Worth
47 Philadelphia Philadelphia USA 6,000,000
48 Santiago Santiago Chile 5,900,000
49 Detroit Detroit USA 5,800,000 incl. Windsor (Canada)
50 Ruhr Ruhr Germany 5,800,000 incl. Essen, Dortmund, Duisburg

Th. Brinkhoff: The Principal Agglomerations of the World,
http://www.citypopulation.de, 2006-01-28

[BJSH]

wrong list

[Kenwen]

shanghai should be ove 20 million, i mean just look at its skyline, u can tell it has that much of pop, n beijing is over 16mil i read that on the news

[LordChaos80]

Originally Posted by BJSH

wrong list

Do u still not get it? THERE IS NO ACCURATE LIST...

[Huhu]

I didn't realize Kaifeng and Xiamen were so small.

[Hidden Dragon]

Temporary and seasonal workers in the cities should not be counted since they have already been counted by the government of their original residency

[oliver999]

intersting table.
shenzhen only has 1 million population? unbelievable!

[WhiteMagick]

Woot Shanghai has 18+ million!:P

[raymond_tung88]

Originally Posted by WhiteMagick

Woot Shanghai has 18+ million!:P

That's not necessarily a good thing.

BTW, there is absolutely NO accurate list. Counting the population of a city is REALLY difficult and as a result, many errors are expected.

[christianhoang]

Originally Posted by oliver999

intersting table.
shenzhen only has 1 million population? unbelievable!

Yeap! unbelievable!it means that the GDP percapita of Shenshen shall be 60,000 USD much higher than the one who living in London. He he! I think it must be at leat 10 m or more than it! Guangzhou should be around 12-15 milion!

[staff]

Quite a weird list in my opinion. It doesn't seem to use the same definitions for each city. Shanghai supposedly has quite a bit over 20 million inhabitants as of today - around 22-23 million in it's metropolitan area I would say.
Furthermore, the populations of Wuhan and Chongqing seem too small, as well as many other cities on the list.

It's unfortunate but I don't think we'll ever see a list with accurate population numbers.

[LordChaos80]

Originally Posted by staff

It's unfortunate but I don't think we'll ever see a list with accurate population numbers.

Sad but true...

[Kiss the Rain]

I dont want to see those cities have a massive population anyway, rural migration to the cities should be controlled, we need those fellas to feed the 1.3 billion people.

[Tom_Green]

In my opinion Shenzhen and Beijing (the cities i have visited) have less people as in the list.

From my feeling(standing on the CCTV Tower on a clear day) i would say that Beijing has around 8mio people and Shenzhen 4 - 5 Mio people.

[LordChaos80]

New charts, new luck:

This is the wikipedia ranking of China´s cities by population. Some appear more realistic than in former charts, while others are messed up or outdated. Have a look for yourselves:
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List of cities in the People's Republic of China by population

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
This list hopes to rank cities in the People's Republic of China by population.

According to administrative divisions of the People's Republic of China, there are three level of cities, namely municipalities, prefecture-level cities, and county-level cities.

A prefecture-level city (地级市) is not a "city" in the strictest sense of the term, but instead an administrative unit comprising, typically, both an urban core (a city in the strict sense) and surrounding rural or less-urbanized areas usually many times the size of the central, built-up core. Prefecture-level cities nearly always contain multiple counties, county-level cities, and other such sub-divisions. To distinguish a prefecture-level city from its actual urban area (city in the strict sense), the term 市区 shìqū ("urban area"), is used.

This list contains all cities designated as a sub-provincial city (副省级城市).

Shanghai (上海) 17,780,000 -- Urban area: 9,838,000 2001 est.
Beijing (北京) 14,930,000 -- Urban area: approx. 7.5 million
Guangzhou (广州) 12,600,000 -- Urban area: 6,560,500
Chengdu (成都) 10,820,000 -- Urban area: 3.9 million
Tianjin (天津) 10,240,000 -- Urban area: approx. 5 million
Harbin (哈尔滨) 9,462,300 -- Urban area: 4,642,400
Wuhan (武汉) 9,100,000
Wenzhou (温州) 7,777,000 (2006)
Quanzhou (泉州) 7,520,000 (excluding Quemoy)
Qingdao (青岛) 7,311,200 (2004) -- Urban area: 2,584,000
Shenyang (沈阳) 7,204,000
Changchun (长春) 7,120,000
Hong Kong (香港) 7,041,000
Zhengzhou (郑州) 7,082,000
Fuzhou (福州) 6,600,000
Hangzhou (杭州) 6,400,000 -- Urban area: 3,900,000
Nanjing (南京) 6,400,000
Luoyang (洛阳) 6,383,900 (2004)
Jinan (济南) 5,900,000
Shenzhen (深圳) approx. 5 million
Chongqing (重庆) approx. 4 million (metropolitan)
Zibo (淄博) 4,149,900
Xi'an (西安) 3,225,812 (city proper)
Lanzhou (兰州) 3,200,000
Shijiazhuang (石家庄) 2,100,000 (city proper) in 2004
Taiyuan (太原) 2,930,000
Kowloon (九龍) 2,279,200
Wuxi (无锡) 2,235,700 (urban center, 2004)
Changsha (长沙) 2,020,000 (metropolitan)
Nanchang (南昌) 1,990,184 (metropolitan)
Jilin City (吉林市) 1,900,751 (metropolitan)
Dalian (大连) 1,657,500
Ürümqi (乌鲁木齐) 1,600,000
Baotou (包头) 1,476,137 (metropolitan area 2006)
Fushun (抚顺) 1,384,000
Xiamen (厦门) 1,370,000
Anshan (鞍山) 1,180,000 (Haicheng sub-city)
Kunming (昆明) 1,055,000 (2006)
Guiyang (贵阳) 848,166 (central urban area)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

[z0rg]

Thanks for sharing, that one looks closer to real figures. It would be nice seeing a good list of metropolitan areas, but that would be even more difficult for sure.

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by LordChaos80

New charts, new luck:

This is the wikipedia ranking of China´s cities by population. Some appear more realistic than in former charts, while others are messed up or outdated. Have a look for yourselves:
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List of cities in the People's Republic of China by population

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
This list hopes to rank cities in the People's Republic of China by population.

According to administrative divisions of the People's Republic of China, there are three level of cities, namely municipalities, prefecture-level cities, and county-level cities.

A prefecture-level city (地级市) is not a "city" in the strictest sense of the term, but instead an administrative unit comprising, typically, both an urban core (a city in the strict sense) and surrounding rural or less-urbanized areas usually many times the size of the central, built-up core. Prefecture-level cities nearly always contain multiple counties, county-level cities, and other such sub-divisions. To distinguish a prefecture-level city from its actual urban area (city in the strict sense), the term 市区 shìqū ("urban area"), is used.

This list contains all cities designated as a sub-provincial city (副省级城市).

Shanghai (上海) 17,780,000 -- Urban area: 9,838,000 2001 est.
Beijing (北京) 14,930,000 -- Urban area: approx. 7.5 million
Guangzhou (广州) 12,600,000 -- Urban area: 6,560,500
Chengdu (成都) 10,820,000 -- Urban area: 3.9 million
Tianjin (天津) 10,240,000 -- Urban area: approx. 5 million
Harbin (哈尔滨) 9,462,300 -- Urban area: 4,642,400
Wuhan (武汉) 9,100,000
Wenzhou (温州) 7,777,000 (2006)
Quanzhou (泉州) 7,520,000 (excluding Quemoy)
Qingdao (青岛) 7,311,200 (2004) -- Urban area: 2,584,000
Shenyang (沈阳) 7,204,000
Changchun (长春) 7,120,000
Hong Kong (香港) 7,041,000
Zhengzhou (郑州) 7,082,000
Fuzhou (福州) 6,600,000
Hangzhou (杭州) 6,400,000 -- Urban area: 3,900,000
Nanjing (南京) 6,400,000
Luoyang (洛阳) 6,383,900 (2004)
Jinan (济南) 5,900,000
Shenzhen (深圳) approx. 5 million
Chongqing (重庆) approx. 4 million (metropolitan)
Zibo (淄博) 4,149,900
Xi'an (西安) 3,225,812 (city proper)
Lanzhou (兰州) 3,200,000
Shijiazhuang (石家庄) 2,100,000 (city proper) in 2004
Taiyuan (太原) 2,930,000
Kowloon (九龍) 2,279,200
Wuxi (无锡) 2,235,700 (urban center, 2004)
Changsha (长沙) 2,020,000 (metropolitan)
Nanchang (南昌) 1,990,184 (metropolitan)
Jilin City (吉林市) 1,900,751 (metropolitan)
Dalian (大连) 1,657,500
Ürümqi (乌鲁木齐) 1,600,000
Baotou (包头) 1,476,137 (metropolitan area 2006)
Fushun (抚顺) 1,384,000
Xiamen (厦门) 1,370,000
Anshan (鞍山) 1,180,000 (Haicheng sub-city)
Kunming (昆明) 1,055,000 (2006)
Guiyang (贵阳) 848,166 (central urban area)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

this is quite accurate. but only count in city center and surburb, the counties belong to these city didnt count in.