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Old April 21st, 2007, 01:17 AM   #161
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50 story building in Evanston?

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Old April 21st, 2007, 01:40 AM   #162
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I wonder if any other northshore communities (or near northshore) will try to get in on Evanstions action out of envy. Although they should I will not hold my breath.
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Old April 21st, 2007, 03:03 AM   #163
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I wonder if any other northshore communities (or near northshore) will try to get in on Evanstions action out of envy. Although they should I will not hold my breath.
nomar, Evanston has only one kindred soul on the North Shore; that would be Highland Park. Highland Park is as downtown-promotional as Evanston. However, HP is about half of Evanston's population and doesn't have NU or all the other institutions that Evanston has. Evanston's downtown abounds with high rise condos, Highland Park's with mid-rise ones. Highland Park puts major retail into Renaissance Place, Evanston does the same at Sherman Plaza. Evanston has three downtown hotels; with no NU, HP has none. Both are great places to dine.

Meanwhile, don't expect Wilmette, Winnetka, Glencoe, or Lake Forest follow suit.
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Old April 21st, 2007, 06:59 AM   #164
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I think Glenview could end up with a decent assemblage of an urban district. Waukegan Road through downtown Glenview is arguably the most densely built-up North-South Axis in the region. And the Glen is pretty impressive as well.

I know to purists, Glenview isn't fully North Shore, but to me it's the same region .
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Old April 21st, 2007, 07:11 AM   #165
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I think Glenview could end up with a decent assemblage of an urban district. Waukegan Road through downtown Glenview is arguably the most densely built-up North-South Axis in the region. And the Glen is pretty impressive as well.

I know to purists, Glenview isn't fully North Shore, but to me it's the same region .
globill, generally speaking, most inland suburbs (and I agree with you that Glenview could be considered borderline North shore) are comfortable with downtown growth. That would easily include the "inland North Shore" trio of Glenview, Northbrook, and Deerfield. Downtown Glenview's growth is relatively static; the Glen was a rare oportunity for growth; sadly its town center is not doing nearly as well as it should be.
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Old April 22nd, 2007, 07:25 PM   #166
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Meanwhile, don't expect Wilmette, Winnetka, Glencoe, or Lake Forest follow suit.
Oh my God....NEVER!

....and I wouldn't want them to have any either
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Old April 22nd, 2007, 08:31 PM   #167
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globill, generally speaking, most inland suburbs (and I agree with you that Glenview could be considered borderline North shore) are comfortable with downtown growth. That would easily include the "inland North Shore" trio of Glenview, Northbrook, and Deerfield. Downtown Glenview's growth is relatively static; the Glen was a rare oportunity for growth; sadly its town center is not doing nearly as well as it should be.
That's true, but I think once the Glen is totally built out Glenview will turn its attention back to its original downtown. The thing about Waukegan is that it seems to have an almost Dempster-like level of development but it's really a hodgepodge of stuff. If done properly, I could see four or five story condos with merchants on the ground level sprouting up in the area over the coming years, depending on the nimby element.
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 12:20 AM   #168
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That's true, but I think once the Glen is totally built out Glenview will turn its attention back to its original downtown. The thing about Waukegan is that it seems to have an almost Dempster-like level of development but it's really a hodgepodge of stuff. If done properly, I could see four or five story condos with merchants on the ground level sprouting up in the area over the coming years, depending on the nimby element.
i don't know; Glenview may be overretailed now. There is one quality that exists in North Shore downtowns that Glenview does not share. Do to their close-to-the-lake location, no North Shore downtown is subject to major through street traffic; most of the traffic flowing through them is local and much of it is going through to access downtown.

Contrast that with suburbs like Glenview and Deerfield that straddle Waukegan Road and have major through streets crossing Waukegan (Glenview and Deerfield roads respectively). They don't exactly create the wonderful sense of walkability of Evanston, Winnetka, Highland Park, or Lake Forest in their downtowns.

Both downtown Glenview and Deerfield have attracted condo projects downtown (actually at those two intersections, Wauk & Glvw and Wauk and Dfd), but most downtowns in the suburbs have.

The real growth in downtowns in the area are along the UP/NW line where virtually everybody (Pk Ridge, Des Pl, Mt. Prpt, Arl Hts, Palatine, Barrington) are in the act.

BTW, it seems to me that the Glen is pretty close to being totally built out. The only large tracts with no development are given over to wet land purposes. The Glen's town center needs to come up with an effective way to market itself. Its major street, Patriot Blvd, is really only a road through the Glen. Few people in Northbrook, Northfield, Winnetka, Morton Grove, Niles, or Mt. Prospect have reason to take Patriot anywhere, so driving past the the Glen and accessing it not much part of their experience.
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 12:52 AM   #169
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Where did you get that the Glen isn't doing well edsg? My sister lives near there and goes there a good bit and she says its always busy. I just think its too bad that they haven't done much with the east side of The Glen where the train station which should cater to commuters.

Having grown in Northbrook I can say that it is pretty much the unmitigated disaster and the worst of the lot. The Deerfield downtown has some good element and that new shopping center isn't bad if they filled in the parking lot. As far as the eastern northshore that is a good deal I wouldn't tear down but there are places in those communities near train stations that can be better utilized or built upon. I am not talking about Evanston type high rises but just 4-8 story buildings would be much of an improvement.

I find it nauseating that these communities expect Metra commuter services to their communities to stop in their low rise downtown's. I wish there was a way to withdraw service to any of these communities who insist on this underutilization until they change some of their zoning codes and build downtown's worthy of a train stopping at.

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Old April 23rd, 2007, 01:09 AM   #170
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I'm pretty sure Metra is at least as interested in expanded parking lots at their stations as they are about TOD.
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 05:42 AM   #171
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Where did you get that the Glen isn't doing well edsg? My sister lives near there and goes there a good bit and she says its always busy. I just think its too bad that they haven't done much with the east side of The Glen where the train station which should cater to commuters.
I'm strictly referring to the town center (although the homes have had a number of foreclosures). I really believe the town center should have beden built near the Metra station than at its current location; the Metra shops aren't very extensive. Lots of turn-over. Von Maur has never really taken off. Restaurants seem to be the strong suit. I've worked in Glenview much of my life and there are a lot of people who are convinced the place is struggling.
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 05:44 AM   #172
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I'm pretty sure Metra is at least as interested in expanded parking lots at their stations as they are about TOD.
the downtown Glenview station is just slightly down the road so the Glen isn't exactly booming with Metra parking. The best Metra locations are often in the downtowns of the suburbs; in the same sense, the Deerfield station is always more crowded than Lake Cook.
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Old April 24th, 2007, 08:11 AM   #173
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I'm gonna put you out, Ed.. while Palatine, Arlington Heights, Mount Prospect, and Des Plaines have all begun the process of densification in the downtown (and in the first two they are going crazy), Barrington has had virtually zero TOD development except one modest-scaled project.

Of course, the village government was worried about the "impact on traffic" of a crawler crane in the street, so we got a tower crane for a 3-story building. That was a cool couple of months.

There are whispers of a second TOD-style project, but it hasn't reached council yet.
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Old April 25th, 2007, 07:39 AM   #174
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nomar, Evanston has only one kindred soul on the North Shore; that would be Highland Park. Highland Park is as downtown-promotional as Evanston. However, HP is about half of Evanston's population and doesn't have NU or all the other institutions that Evanston has. Evanston's downtown abounds with high rise condos, Highland Park's with mid-rise ones. Highland Park puts major retail into Renaissance Place, Evanston does the same at Sherman Plaza. Evanston has three downtown hotels; with no NU, HP has none. Both are great places to dine.

Meanwhile, don't expect Wilmette, Winnetka, Glencoe, or Lake Forest follow suit.
H.P. has Ravinia. That has to count for something, eh?
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H.P. has Ravinia. That has to count for something, eh?
it counts for plenty. highland park has a lot going for it.
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Old April 27th, 2007, 04:24 PM   #176
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Holy Shit...a 500 footer for Evanston. Unbelievable...wonder if it'll get passed the NIMBYs

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...l=chi-news-hed

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Old April 27th, 2007, 10:00 PM   #177
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I just saw that! Beautiful building, it would be a shame if it didn't go through.
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Old May 2nd, 2007, 04:16 AM   #178
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i'm hooking this one here rather than having a separate thread because it has been discussed in one before and I didn't feel it deserved a new one. i do, however, bring it up since it relates to Evanston and Evanston has been experiencing so much high density growth as of late.

Why isn't Oak Park growing and developing as Evanston is?

I ask this since the two virtually twin cities in many ways...one was the first suburb west of the city, the other one north. Their housing mix is similiar. Their downtowns shared so much in common...including virutally the same Marshall Field store. Metra (and its predecessors) and CTA served both the same way. Both had great non-profit instiutions. Both had a similiar commitment to public education. Both were ladden with tradition. Other comparisons can be made.

Look, Oak Park has hardly stagnated. It too has been the beneficiary of the urbanization of close in suburbia. But it is no Evanston...and the two communities are about as far about today than they have eve been.

Any idea about why? Why isn't Oak Park experiencing more of an Evanston style growth whenen that growth should be consistent with such a community in today's world.
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^ Sorry, Ed, but I don't see this as the right thread to discuss Oak Park's development. I like your philosophical discussions and all, but I read the "Development News" threads for a different reason--I want news about projects, period.
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you're probably right. i don't think it deserves its own topic, but i think i'll wait until something appropriate pops up on the general Chgo forum to add it to the mix.
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