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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:14 PM   #101
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i didnt know CW was going to be that dense!
There are several midrises planned for CW which I haven't included. There's also Wood Wharf which will stand directly behind Canary Wharf from this view, and will include another half-dozen or so midrises.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:17 PM   #102
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"Others will start in the next 12-18 months as DarJoLe has explained."

But nothing is certain, is it? How can you be so sure?

"Erm... London has already built 7 new skyscrapers in the last 5 years."

And in Moscow 17 new skyscrapers have started construction THIS YEAR.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:17 PM   #103
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I would have to say though that CW needs some more tall residentials to the north and east to balance out the growt happening in this area to the south.

Although there's plenty of new residential schemes going up in such places as Limehouse, there's nothing of any real height. I'd like to see a Pan Penninsula proposed for Poplar, or Limehouse, to balance out the cluster and give it a better skyline 'curve' up to One Canda Square, rather than having this massive drop off by North Quay.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:20 PM   #104
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Thanks Will, Ive been busy updating for quite a while
you missed out both Criterion Place and West Point in Leeds.

Both schemes have twin towers, the tallest being around 165m.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:28 PM   #105
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But nothing is certain, is it? How can you be so sure?
Because property cycles go in peaks and troughs, the last few years have been the bottom of a "dip" in terms of demand, and we're now starting to see the upturn.

All of the reports have been pointing to the same conclusion - that demand for office space is starting to increase now, and rents will peak during 2008-9.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:33 PM   #106
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Jealous of what? London is a gawd awful Skyscraper city and seeing the posts in the world forum from London lovers just makes me laugh. The city doesn't need skyscrapers.
Out of interest, how do you think London should expand and grow, without encroaching on its surrounding 'green belt' land?

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Birmingham, Manchester need them badly because on a world wide scale those cities rate about 0.1, London rates 97.5, so why are so many people in this room preoccupied with making London a clone of Manhattan?
So, to rank high on your 'world wide scale', a city needs to have tall buildings? Interesting, please elaborate...
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:35 PM   #107
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And in Moscow 17 new skyscrapers have started construction THIS YEAR.
so? This has nothing to do with Moscow. London takes its time, not just builds anything for the sake of it.

Londons boom will start in 07. That is when alot of scrapers will start going up.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:41 PM   #108
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^ But you said, Moscow only has a few towers proposed and u/c. I think Sumoi was merely correcting you.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:44 PM   #109
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Jealous of what? London is a gawd awful Skyscraper city and seeing the posts in the world forum from London lovers just makes me laugh. The city doesn't need skyscrapers.

Birmingham, Manchester need them badly because on a world wide scale those cities rate about 0.1, London rates 97.5, so why are so many people in this room preoccupied with making London a clone of Manhattan?
Nobody wants or expects London to look like Manhattan. There's nothing wrong with showing off what's in the pipeline is there?

Birmingham and Manchester do no 'badly need' skyscrapers, they are fantastic, historic cities with or without them. Only culturally vapid cities need to build skyscrapers to make a name for themselves. London is merely satisfying it's massive office and residential demand with many fantastic projects - it is not trying to be anywhere else.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:44 PM   #110
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I only said about the 300m skyscrapers in Moscow, not all from 150m+.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 03:47 PM   #111
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you missed out both Criterion Place and West Point in Leeds.

Both schemes have twin towers, the tallest being around 165m.
Ive added them for ya.

If i had put in ALL the pre planning buildings, the list would have had atleast another 20 100m+ buildings.
There are currently 11 Skyscrapers in the UK in preplanning, and they are just the ones we know about. Alot of the time we dont find out about the scrapers until they actually go in for planning permission.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 04:52 PM   #112
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^ But you said, Moscow only has a few towers proposed and u/c. I think Sumoi was merely correcting you.
Moscow has hundreds of u/c and proposals. What we have now is preparing to boom. Boom in Moscow will begin after 2010.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 05:37 PM   #113
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coth, do you have any good renders of wha moscow will look like after the boom?
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Old December 30th, 2005, 06:06 PM   #114
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The problem with London though, is that there are hundreds of proposed and approved buildings but nothing ever gets built..

All i´m saying is that if London wants to have that skyline by 2012 it has to turn into dubai very soon and actually start building these towers
you really don't get it do you. You should take a short course in economics, or pehaps even the history of city planning in the UK.

You can't just build for the sake of it. Skyscrapers are functional buildings with people living or working in there. If there isn't demand, it won't be built. If theres forecasts from strong demand in the future, you might get lucky, it companies such as British Land, with huge assets, build speculatively.

London is a major global financial centre, due to being the only city that can trade with New York and Tokoyo in the same working day. It has its own soveriegn area that specialises in business. London is a huge sprawl, and there are masses of ground scrapers. Not all of them are full yet. But as time goes on, the only way is up.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 06:16 PM   #115
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Moscow has hundreds of u/c and proposals. What we have now is preparing to boom. Boom in Moscow will begin after 2010.
I tell you what, if you have so many make a Moscow 2020 thread and add a list. I would like to see the 'hundreds' of skyscraper proposals. If you have so many, surely they would merit their own thread, and you wouldnt have to post them in a thread about London.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 06:23 PM   #116
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Guys, try not to get drawn into arguing with some of the cretinous people who plod through this site like trolls, posting non-sensical comments. Its not their fault, they're probably just jealous, ignorant, or have the classic, unexplainable hatred of anthing to do with London/Uk that seems to be rampant on this site.

As many people have already stated, London isnt building skyscrapers to try and put itself on the map like Dubai, I mean, heck, London wrote the map Its just fulfilling an ever increasing need for office space. Responding to the guy who said something like 'london should stick to being a flat city'...where exactly would you like us to build this multitudinous amount of low buildings to cope with the demands for space??? There are protected greenbelts on one side, and the river thames on the other...there is basically no more land available...so you have to built upwards you idiot!

And btw, this is a london thread, so please don't start spamming comments about how Moscow/Dubai or wherever are building loads more than London. But, just for the sake of it, I did a quick search on google for a future Moscow skyline...and I couldn't really find much, but I did get this picture:



Looks pretty good, but as I said, let that be one of the only Moscow pics shown in this thread, cus its about London. How's that for hypocresy eh?
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Old December 30th, 2005, 06:27 PM   #117
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That Moscow skyline is to pointy for my liking.
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Old December 30th, 2005, 06:32 PM   #118
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Coth has a tendency to exaggerate, and in this case he probably means "several dozen midrises over 35m" (which London is also planning, btw...).
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Old December 30th, 2005, 07:10 PM   #119
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midrises? 35m? well - 35m is nothing for moscow.
moscow has 24 thous completed buildings 9f+. it is going to be thousands midrises (<25f) that are planned and building in moscow.
there is link on prev page. 30 skyscrapers over 150m completed and u/c plus at least 12 known proposals and approved skyscrapers. plus projetcs of complexes - new ring of moscow an big city. nrm is 62 highrise plots with average height in 35f, where 1 over 150 completed, one over 150 is u/c, one soon begin and at least two known 50f+ planned (i found data for only one of 9 districts where those plots situated). plus skyscrapers around the big city. their places is known but not technical data, except of one building. As for 30f+ buildings u/c in Moscow so it is about 50-55 them here.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=264584
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Old December 30th, 2005, 07:49 PM   #120
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Ooouuuch! Moscow looks painful. I'd hate to go there in a hurry.

But, Russia tower is nowhere near that height anymore. Remember they shortend it and changed its design.

Now, some people say the design "looks like its underconstruction'' or ''looks like a flying sourcer crashed ontop of it'' :loL:
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