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Old January 26th, 2006, 07:55 PM   #421
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WOW how high is that building in Floors?

Thanks for showing the pics again and spamming the thread with your thoroughly pointless post.....how many floors, are you taking the piss??
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Old January 26th, 2006, 09:38 PM   #422
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a new article?...

Dh1 billion Burj Dubai contract awarded
10 January 2006

DUBAI — ETA-led joint venture with Voltas and Hitachi has won Dh1 billion contract for mechanical, electrical, plumbing and fire fighting works for the world's tallest tower — Emaar's Burj Dubai.

The challenge ahead of the joint venture will be to meet the scheduled completion date of December 2008.

ETA is executing this project with joint venture partners — Hitachi Plant Engineering and Construction Co., Ltd, Japan and Voltas Limited of India.

The Burj Dubai is the 'jewel' of the entire 500-acre Burj Dubai Development and will feature one of the world's first Armani hotels, luxury residential apartments, boutique offices and a host of world-class restaurants and leisure options.

Currently growing at a rate of one floor per week, the Burj Dubai is located off Shaikh Zayed Road at the heart of the mixed use development which when completed will create an elegant new downtown for Dubai.

The Burj Dubai development will also host The Dubai Mall, the largest mall in the world when completed, Burj Dubai Business Hub commercial offices and a variety of living options varying from the traditional Arabic inspired Old Town to the ultra modern lofts.
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Old January 26th, 2006, 09:45 PM   #423
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The world's tallest towers 2006
http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2006/jan/23forbes1.htm
Sara Clemence, Forbes | January 23, 2006

Fictional film apes aren't the only creatures drawn to great heights. Human beings have always been looking for ways to escape the ground--by building machines that fly or structures that stretch into the clouds. But many of today's tallest are so high that even King Kong would get vertigo.

When it comes to those buildings, what constitutes 'tall' varies from place to place and year to year. The loftiest buildings in Europe are waist-high to those in the New World.

Iconic American buildings that once held records have been bumped down by new skyscrapers in Asia--which in coming years will be surpassed by new structures, including the Freedom Tower in New York City, Burj Dubai in the UAE, and others still on the drawing boards.

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We are building higher and higher, but how high can we go? And how high do we want to?

"I think for a while we will keep building up and up and up," says architect Cesar Pelli, whose projects include the Petronas Towers in Malaysia, currently the second- and third-tallest towers in the world. "The desire is there."

For much of the 20th century, the US, the world's economic powerhouse, dominated the skyscraper scene. Steel frames and the invention of elevators combined to made tall buildings achievable, and urbanization made them necessary.

World's Tallest Buildings

Rank
Building
Height
City/Country

1
Taipei 101
509 meters/1,670 ft
Taipei, Taiwan

2
Petronas Tower 1
452 meters/1,483 feet
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

3
Petronas Tower 2
452 meters/1,482 feet
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

4
Sears Tower
442 meters/1,450 ft
Chicago, USA

5
Empire State Building
381 meters/1,250 ft
New York, USA



Again and again, American buildings topped one another--the Chrysler Buildings was the tallest in 1930 but was overtaken by the Empire State Building a year later. It was surpassed when the World Trade Center arrived on the scene in 1973, but two years later Chicago's Sears Tower became the tallest at 1,454 feet.

The landscape looks very different in the 21st century, with other countries and continents dominating the top of the tallest list.

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"We're seeing a tremendous amount of activity overseas, whether it's in Asia or the Middle East," says Ron Klemencic, chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat and president of Seattle-based structural engineering firm Magnusson Kelemcic Associates. "For countries that are emerging on the economic scene, very tall buildings are symbols of their economic strength."

The tallest building in the world, Taipei 101, was completed in 2004. It is a national symbol for Taiwan, as are the Petronas Towers for Malaysia. A government plan to bring Malaysia into the developed world by 2020, Klemencic points out, included a scheme to get attention with very tall buildings.

"It seems obvious that what began as kind of an American idea became the emblem of the modern world and modern society, particularly modern capitalist society," says James Sanders, a New York-based architect and author of Celluloid Skyline: New York and the Movies. "It doesn't seem to have lost much of its energy."

Building technology doesn't limit the heights of our skyscrapers, experts say.

"Structure is able to keep up with demands of the developer without any difficulty," observes Leslie Robertson, head of Leslie E. Robertson and Associates and structural engineer for the World Trade Center.

Pelli, for one, believes that the limits are going to come from human psychology and physiology. How long are you willing to be inside an elevator? If we build faster elevators, will we reach a point where pressure changes will be a hazard?

"You may get the bends if you go up or down too fast," Pelli says. "Around 150 stories, that may start happening. We don't know yet. You could pressurize whole buildings, but I don't think people want to live in a sealed building."

Safety is also a factor, of course, especially in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. But, surprisingly, architects and developers continue to push to hold taller and taller towers. At the time of the attack, one of Pelli's towers was under construction in Hong Kong; it took just 20 minutes for his clients to decide to proceed with the project, he says.

And the Freedom Tower, which will be built on the World Trade Center site, will be taller than the original complex.

The economics of very tall buildings can be complicated as well. The higher you go, for example, the more elevators you need, Sanders says.

"They keep eating area out of the lower floors," he says. "You get to a point where going taller is not gaining you square footage."

In some places, such as China's increasingly crowded cities, tall may still make sense. "Clearly the skyscraper is the solution to rational living in high-density populations, because it allows people to use mass transit in order to move people around," says Carol Willis, founder and director of the Skyscraper Museum in New York City. But that doesn't hold true across the board.

"In the Middle East, you might scratch your head a little bit," Klemencic says. "The overall populations of countries like Qatar and Dubai are quite low, but you're building super-tall buildings with millions of square feet."

Burj Dubai, however, is more than a skyscraper. The residential and hotel tower, expected to be more than 2,000 feet tall, is part of a complex. "It's the shopping center, golf course and the smaller towers that, in total, make it work economically," Klemencic says. Where tall buildings of the 20th century were primarily office towers, today many of them are mixed-use; part hotel, part condo, part retail and part office space--all in amounts that the local market can absorb.

Prestige, of course, is always a factor for extremely tall buildings--and not just because you can charge more for high-profile buildings. Robertson's firm is working on a 50-floor building in Lahore, Pakistan, where the tallest building might be ten or 12 stories high, he says.

"They become landmarks for high net worth individuals or some of the more significant developers," says Nick Billotti, president of New York-based Turner Construction International, which is owned by Turner Construction. The firm has built many of the best-known skyscrapers, including Chicago's Aon Center and Taipei 101. "They serve as signature buildings for countries."

There is plenty of debate about what makes one building taller than another--should spires be counted or only occupied floors, for example? We used the rankings from Emporis, a real estate information company based in Darmstadt, Germany. The list includes buildings that have reached their full height, even if they are unfinished. They are measured by structural height, which is measured from the base to the "highest architectural or integral structural element of the building." (Spires count, but not antennae.)

The list only includes buildings, not communications towers or other structures, which is why Toronto's CN Tower doesn't make the cut, galling as that may be to Canadians.

Still, towering above the rest may not have the same power it once did.

"New York has a media machine that makes things in it famous. Films and postcards and pictures," Sanders says. Not every structure can have a film like King Kong attached to it. "In climbing the Empire State Building, Kong brings it to life."

Ask someone on the street what the tallest building in the world is, and they probably won't know--and may well guess that it is one of those memorable buildings, like the Chrysler or Empire State, which has long since been overtaken.

"How much are they able to capture your imagination and your heart?" Pelli says. "Being tall doesn't necessarily do it."

http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2006/jan/23forbes1.htm
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Old January 26th, 2006, 09:48 PM   #424
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i like that last line...

"How much are they able to capture your imagination and your heart?" Pelli says. "Being tall doesn't necessarily do it."
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Old January 26th, 2006, 09:52 PM   #425
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Friday tomorrow, and hopefully updates !?

As there hasn't been any close-up updates for 2 weeks it must be 2-3 floors taller

Surely also we're going to see a setback soon? So if anyone's going for photos keep a look out for any sign of a setback on one of the 3 wings. Of course as I'm sure most are aware the setbacks spiral round the tower so one side will have a setback before the others.
In the renders it looks like the first one is around the 15th level and the wings are definitely up to that number of levels surely. The floor count might be less - but as it starts at minus 3 (because of the basements its hard to judge).
Looking forward to tomorrow.

PS. If anyone's looking for a new digital camera and want to take photos of Dubai but doesn't want to risk getting close there's several digital cameras now with 12x optical zoom starting from £230 (Panasonic FZ5 I'd recomend).
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Old January 26th, 2006, 11:54 PM   #426
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The first setback will happen on the sections of the wings (noses) that are still on the 2nd level, so don't hold your breath.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 12:04 AM   #427
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Friday tomorrow, and hopefully updates !?

As there hasn't been any close-up updates for 2 weeks it must be 2-3 floors taller

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PS. If anyone's looking for a new digital camera and want to take photos of Dubai but doesn't want to risk getting close there's several digital cameras now with 12x optical zoom starting from £230 (Panasonic FZ5 I'd recomend).
The latest update was just 5 days ago on 21st.

Those updates, and all others from me, are taken with a Panasonic FZ5, while Dubai-Lover uses a 7x Optical zoom Sony F828.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 12:16 AM   #428
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PS. If anyone's looking for a new digital camera and want to take photos of Dubai but doesn't want to risk getting close there's several digital cameras now with 12x optical zoom starting from £230 (Panasonic FZ5 I'd recomend).
I think that 12x zoom has been used already many times
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Old January 27th, 2006, 07:40 AM   #429
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I was curious as to what cameras were being used, as some shots have been quite close to the tower! Cool... I've heard good things about the FZ5, although I'm using a Canon S1 (10x optical) myself. The S2 model also has 12x zoom as well. Anyway, I think the bigger thought I had was just that if anyone was using a good zooming camera, period Obviously that's the case so... yay!

Darn... I was thinking the same thing about the setbacks too. *sighs* Guess we wait a bit longer then!
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Old January 27th, 2006, 10:53 AM   #431
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Please read post 427.

AltinD udates with Panasonic FZ5
Dubai-Lover updates (close-ups) with Sony F828
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Old January 27th, 2006, 11:01 AM   #432
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Why don't you go take photo updates yourself, instead of whining everytime about the picture quality of the others who do it?
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Old January 27th, 2006, 12:20 PM   #433
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I am sure everybody here is very happy with the pics of the tower, and realise that to get there, take the pics, get back home and then upload them takes time out of your guys days off. Not to talk about cameras too much but I previously had a Fuji 6x 3mpix camera and am really impressed with the zoom and optical image stabilisation of the new cameras out there (Canon, Sony, Panasonic).
I must have missed those updates 5 days ago? The best ones are the ones of course taken from nearer the foot of the tower. As you guys mention there's often a lot of haze (or is it particulate pollution!) that makes shots from more than a km look faded.
I'll have to look at the pics of the renders but I thought the setback at around floor 20 is the one that cuts into one of the 3 segments of the wing.
At the moment we have a core and 3 segments on each wing and the tip will grow up to that height.
But I imagine that soon we'll have one wing that has only 2 segments - and the 3rd will become a tip - and that must affect the concrete pour.
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^ Many of us belive, that based on the renders we have, the first real structural setback will hapen on the 4th segment of each wing, which have risen just two levels so far.
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thanks altin. looks like 58 floors in a year. or just under a floor a week.
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You mean just over a floor a week..?
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Old January 27th, 2006, 04:00 PM   #437
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58 + M + G = 60 Floors ... not to mention that a lot of the facae is already in place.

BTW, it seams that there will be no updates today. If so, I'll hopefully get some in the comming 2 days.
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Thanks (AltinD) for getting back on track.

BTW, you still live with your parents, so ask them if it is proper to give out accusations about people without backing it up? I've never "whined" about anybody's pic quality.

I thought this thread is for u/c BD PICS and technical speculation and observations. Not what camera takes the best pics. Put it in the UAE BD thread. Or BETTER YET, at the top of the page PRIVATE MESSAGE each other. Jan would like traffic on the link.

You must be confused with the other forumers you hate

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>Many of us belive, that based on the renders we have, the first real structural >setback will hapen on the 4th segment of each wing, which have risen just two >levels so far.

The setbacks I agree do start in this 4th section. But as all the levels come to a point (when seen from above) the concrete wall can't continue upwards above the end setback without changing.
Complicated to explain but at the end of each wing (on whatever floor we're on 15?) is a concrete wall 2 feet thick - and that doesn't look like the "point" of a end wing section. Thus I think the last concrete wall should dissapear after the first setback.

This might explain why the outer wings do not appear to have risen in the last set of photos. Didn't somebody mention that only the inner core had risen a floor?

Found another article here:
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Scienc...sp?NewsNum=428
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