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Old February 7th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #541
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I like a lot Piranesi 44
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Old February 8th, 2013, 01:59 AM   #542
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and also because we've lost a lot of our historical heritage during World War II, and later with some horrible urbanistic plans which destroyed major parts of the city centre in order to build a few larger streets.
I hope you will pull down some of the hideous post war boxes, as they ruin the experience of a otherwise beautiful cityscape. What I really love about Milan are all those grand "liberty stile"-buildings you got around. Stuff like this:

https://maps.google.no/?ll=45.460733...7.23,,0,-17.94

https://maps.google.no/?ll=45.46223,...6.09,,0,-16.56


Did Milan lose many buildings of similar styles and scales?

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The problems arises when it comes to consider public sector. Just to tell you some interesting figure, Italian public debt is very huge, we all know, with some 2'000 billions dollars. Well, Italian household wealth is FIVE (5!!) times bigger than our public debt: 10'000 billions dollars. No other country has datas like this in private savings. So how can a country like this even imagine to be considered to be near to bailout?
So.)
I'm sorry if this comes across as offending, but are the mafias wealth included in those numbers?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 02:34 AM   #543
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Well, a little bit it is offensive, don't you think?
Mobsters' capitals are detained for the vast part in other countries whose banks "cleans" their illegally obtained money, so they figures (for instance) in Switzerland's datas, not in the italians data, or not mainly at least.
How can someone thinks that mobsters may add some wealth in country's economy? Aren't they stealers?
(Just a note: I personally tend not to use italian words to describe the worldwide phenomenon of organized crime and mob, it is uselessly too "connotating" )

Italian household wealth comes from an extraordinarily high saving rate. Italian families are just very "efficient" somehow.

But now, please, let's get back in the topic! There are just too many beautiful things to talk about!

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Old February 8th, 2013, 07:01 AM   #544
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yes is very nice

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Old February 8th, 2013, 03:14 PM   #545
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Anyway, the artist intention is to show how international finance and rating system is the new fascism.
No, I disagree... this sculpture wasn't thoughtfor Milan and wasn't thought to stand in front of Milan stocks exchange.

All the stock exchange stuff (very popular on newspapers) misleaded.

And makes everybody misunderstimate the aesthetic vision of the piece.
Infact I think the true reason of its collocation is aesthetic. Piazza Affari is sorrounded in every side by fascist buildings (not only made during the fascism, but even with the 'language' of the regime Architecture)
Other places like this in Milan don't come in my mind

The fact that one of these buildings hosts the stock exchange is a (happy) coincidence

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Old February 8th, 2013, 03:35 PM   #546
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it is a happy coincidence indeed. As much of contemporary art, the setting of the artwork determine the meaning, and IMVHO it is safe that, pulling that sculpture in that place, the impression it generally gives is a strong feeling against new kinds of fascism, between them the financial imperialism of course
Art is strange, and sometimes the reason of the artist in the studio aren't exactly the reasons that makes the "zeitgeist" to urge that particular work of art to be realized in that particular circumstances, don't you agree?
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I couldn't agree more, Tommolo. The artist has his own Weltanschauung, of course, which he conveys to his works. But every work of art on its part gets additional - and often unintentional - meaning, which is strongly contaminated by the Zeitgeist, which you mentioned. This is particularly true for contemporary art, which is by its own nature prone to multiple interpretations
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Old February 8th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #548
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I'm sorry if this comes across as offending, but are the mafias wealth included in those numbers?
I don't think it's offensive, I think it's a normal question. Unfortunately, a lot of Italian criminals put their money in Swiss banks, and we don't have any arrangement with Switzerland to take money back and use it to compensate the damage from those criminal activities - this often happens with money owned by mafia.

The wealth generated by mafia should be already counted in the gross product of Italy, as an estimate, together with the product of the black market. A lot of people are hired and paid by mafia, and they obviously don't register the salary and don't pay taxes - hence it's difficult to make an actual estimate of the mafia GDP.
The estimate is about 170 billion euro a year for the organised criminality in Italy.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:12 PM   #549
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stop offtopic comments guys , this thread not is from this
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In the gdp yes, but their capitals are detained mainly abroad. So the wealth of italian households has nothing to do with this issue, luckily.
Nowadays southern europeans mobs are no longer what they used to be. For instance, italian most powerful mob, 'ndrangheta, only ranks 10th or 11th in the list of most dangerous mobs in the world, preceeded by other less famous mobs often present in other european countries paradoxically less famous for mob phenomena.
Of course they pay people but their activity has a cost towards society in terms of efficiency, of quality of administration, of lack of investments, unemployment that makes that the 170 billions they produce are far less than the potential richness produced by the territories they infect. Just in bribing, the damage towards society is calculated in 80 billios dollars. So, again, by no means they produce "richness" at all, they are economic terrorists and they represent a deadweight.

Edit: you're so right, Pellicano! Sorry for the offtopic!
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during the war lost many buildings like this

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I hope you will pull down some of the hideous post war boxes, as they ruin the experience of a otherwise beautiful cityscape. What I really love about Milan are all those grand "liberty stile"-buildings you got around. Stuff like this:

https://maps.google.no/?ll=45.460733...7.23,,0,-17.94

https://maps.google.no/?ll=45.46223,...6.09,,0,-16.56


Did Milan lose many buildings of similar styles and scales?



I'm sorry if this comes across as offending, but are the mafias wealth included in those numbers?
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Old February 9th, 2013, 05:20 PM   #553
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Updates - New Sculptures of Sassu in Piemonte Square








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Old February 10th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #554
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Old February 11th, 2013, 04:24 PM   #556
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Updates - Renovation of Piazza Duca D'Aosta (in front of Central Station)



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thanks for the updates
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updates The new Metro 5 in Milan

The tunnel of the new Metro 5 in Milan, shoted with a 3D camera (red/blue glasses or a 3d device required for 3d)

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