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Old February 26th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #581
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Old February 27th, 2013, 04:48 AM   #582
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bergamo is other city , province of bergamo
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Old February 27th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #583
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Probably you don't know the difference between a city and a Metro Area.

In all the world Metro Areas don't consider administrative borders, so Bergamo is part of Milan Metro Area. It's also the same urban area because the area between Milan and Bergamo is urbanized.

There is also an airport in Bergamo Orio al Serio that is universally known like the third airport of Milan.





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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #584
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this is crazy
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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:49 PM   #585
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for me is better only province of milano

this only causes confusion

new york is new york and new jersey is another thing

this just causes confusion, everyone knows that Bergamo is another city
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Old February 27th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #586
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Like it or not, Bergamo is completely in Milan Metro Area

So, if you talk about London, you meant only that 2 square km around saint paul or you refer also to westminster city, that administratively is another town?When you talk about new york you talk about manhattan and exclude yonkers? borders are just conventional way of administrating different surface that may form metro areas...
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Old February 27th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #587
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Old February 28th, 2013, 04:57 AM   #588
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Bergamo is 55 km from the center of Milan is not a 2 or 10 , this is ridiculous

are different cities

Like it or not

Bergamo is due to open another thread

this thread is for Milan and Province :

Milan: 1.308.975
Sesto San Giovanni: 81.032
Cinisello Balsamo: 73.858
Legnano: 58.254
Rho: 50.584
Cologno Monzese: 47.600
Paderno Dugnano: 47.525
Rozzano: 41.056
Bollate: 36.537
San Giuliano Milanese: 36.431
Pioltello: 35.675
Corsico: 34.058
Segrate: 34.007
San Donato Milanese: 32.563
Abbiategrasso: 31.675
Cernusco sul Naviglio: 30.689
Garbagnate Milanese: 26.875
Buccinasco: 26.700
Parabiago: 26.638
Bresso: 26.230
Lainate: 25.208
Cesano Boscone: 23.831
Magenta (Italia): 23.510
Peschiera Borromeo: 22.701
Senago: 21.137
Cornaredo: 20.461
Novate Milanese: 20.186
Cormano: 20.116
Cusano Milanino: 19.468
Arese: 19.451
Gorgonzola: 19.384
Settimo Milanese: 19.271
Trezzano sul Naviglio: 19.136
Cassano d'Adda: 18.703
Melzo: 18.398
Nerviano: 17.424
Bareggio: 17.226
Melegnano: 17.104
Corbetta: 16.955
Vimodrone: 16.304
Pieve Emanuele: 15.158
Cerro Maggiore: 14.709
Carugate: 14.400
Solaro: 14.064
Rescaldina: 13.989
Cesate: 13.726
Opera (Italia): 13.710
Busto Garolfo: 13.355
Cassina de' Pecchi: 13.040
Canegrate: 12.393
Trezzo sull'Adda: 12.287
Mediglia: 12.082
Baranzate: 11.494
Arluno: 11.446
Sedriano: 11.182
Paullo: 10.985
Castano Primo: 10.938
Pero: 10.683
Inzago: 10.328


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Like it or not, Bergamo is completely in Milan Metro Area

So, if you talk about London, you meant only that 2 square km around saint paul or you refer also to westminster city, that administratively is another town?When you talk about new york you talk about manhattan and exclude yonkers? borders are just conventional way of administrating different surface that may form metro areas...
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Old February 28th, 2013, 10:36 AM   #589
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Bergamo is 55 km from the center of Milan is not a 2 or 10 , this is ridiculous

are different cities

Like it or not

Bergamo is due to open another thread

this thread is for Milan and Province :

Milan: 1.308.975
Sesto San Giovanni: 81.032
Cinisello Balsamo: 73.858
Legnano: 58.254
Rho: 50.584
Cologno Monzese: 47.600
Paderno Dugnano: 47.525
Rozzano: 41.056
Bollate: 36.537
San Giuliano Milanese: 36.431
Pioltello: 35.675
Corsico: 34.058
Segrate: 34.007
San Donato Milanese: 32.563
Abbiategrasso: 31.675
Cernusco sul Naviglio: 30.689
Garbagnate Milanese: 26.875
Buccinasco: 26.700
Parabiago: 26.638
Bresso: 26.230
Lainate: 25.208
Cesano Boscone: 23.831
Magenta (Italia): 23.510
Peschiera Borromeo: 22.701
Senago: 21.137
Cornaredo: 20.461
Novate Milanese: 20.186
Cormano: 20.116
Cusano Milanino: 19.468
Arese: 19.451
Gorgonzola: 19.384
Settimo Milanese: 19.271
Trezzano sul Naviglio: 19.136
Cassano d'Adda: 18.703
Melzo: 18.398
Nerviano: 17.424
Bareggio: 17.226
Melegnano: 17.104
Corbetta: 16.955
Vimodrone: 16.304
Pieve Emanuele: 15.158
Cerro Maggiore: 14.709
Carugate: 14.400
Solaro: 14.064
Rescaldina: 13.989
Cesate: 13.726
Opera (Italia): 13.710
Busto Garolfo: 13.355
Cassina de' Pecchi: 13.040
Canegrate: 12.393
Trezzo sull'Adda: 12.287
Mediglia: 12.082
Baranzate: 11.494
Arluno: 11.446
Sedriano: 11.182
Paullo: 10.985
Castano Primo: 10.938
Pero: 10.683
Inzago: 10.328


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Old February 28th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #590
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Ok do another research and propose it to the OECD, they statively say that inside the 12000 square km of the milan metro area bergamo is to be included. Since there is no a single area unbuilt between milan and bergamo. Varese is 50 km from milan, but is ridiculous not consider it inside milan metro area: there is not a single square mile with a lower building density...The milan metro area includes not only province of milan, but other provinces like Como, Varese, Bergamo, Monza, pavia and so on...Metro areas easily reach 50 km from the city centre. ALL metro areas...
Are you ok with that now? It's not a big deal, so please move on
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Old March 1st, 2013, 01:25 AM   #592
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anyway bergamo is another city , please relax
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Old March 1st, 2013, 01:28 AM   #593
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Is this your site? Do you have maps over Milan showing where the largest developments are?
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Old March 1st, 2013, 01:31 AM   #594
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Where do you draw the borders for Milan metro area? The whole regions seems pretty much urbanized. Especially if look to the north! Are Como part of it?
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Old March 1st, 2013, 01:53 AM   #595
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Where do you draw the borders for Milan metro area? The whole regions seems pretty much urbanized. Especially if look to the north! Are Como part of it?
There are pages and pages of discussion about it on the Italian Forum, because there's no legal definition about it. Unfortunately they've just aborted the new law before approving it, because out government has fallen, and we've just held the elections. The old law defined, in a very arbitrary way, the "Metropolitan City of Milan" as the Province of Milan + Monza e Brianza Province (therefore excluding Bergamo and Orio al Serio airport) and possibly including some of the province of Varese (including Malpensa airport).
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Old March 1st, 2013, 02:52 PM   #596
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this is Milan Metro Area according to one of the best studies published in Italy recently

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Old March 1st, 2013, 03:00 PM   #597
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Yes, please stick to the official documents and datas, opinions are not to consider here, since their aleatory paradigm. What it's true to me it couldn't be true to you.
Stick to what is considered to be true from neutral international organization (like OECD or this mathematical/statistical research published here)
Hopefully there is an almost total consensus by qualified operators about Bergamo being part of Milan Metro Area, and also a wide consensus about those of us have done the Milan-Bergamo road seeing almost no difference at all between the two metro areas
So, case closed, thank you Pellicano for your opinion, we'll take it on count, but official datas says another thing.
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There are pages and pages of discussion about it on the Italian Forum, because there's no legal definition about it. Unfortunately they've just aborted the new law before approving it, because out government has fallen, and we've just held the elections. The old law defined, in a very arbitrary way, the "Metropolitan City of Milan" as the Province of Milan + Monza e Brianza Province (therefore excluding Bergamo and Orio al Serio airport) and possibly including some of the province of Varese (including Malpensa airport).
Thank you for your answer. What would that now scraped law have done? Would it just re-defined the edges of the metro area, or was it intended to create administrative region that could cooperate about issues affecting Milan + surrounding areas? Or perhaps something else?

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this is Milan Metro Area according to one of the best studies published in Italy recently
Do you know what the whole population for the gray-marked area is?
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Oecd says 7,4 millions, making it EU's third urban area (excluding ruhr basin that is a conurbation of multiple cities)

Datas are disponible here:

http://browse.oecdbookshop.org/oecd/...e/0406051E.PDF
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Thank you for your answer. What would that now scraped law have done? Would it just re-defined the edges of the metro area, or was it intended to create administrative region that could cooperate about issues affecting Milan + surrounding areas? Or perhaps something else?



Do you know what the whole population for the gray-marked area is?
here are datas from the same book

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tornando a cose serie, queste sono alcune scansioni.

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it has to be said that due to the enormous sprawl of the area it is difficult to determine with precision the metro area, e.g. some maps include Brescia, Novara in the Piedmont region or Chiasso in Switzerland.
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