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Old January 10th, 2009, 05:26 PM   #881
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How abour this one at MKAD / M-8 in Moscow? This one is stack and cloverleaf at the same time.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 05:28 PM   #882
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Am I missing something here? What is the point of having two ways of executing left turns at an interchange, apart from catering to drivers who miss the first one?
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Old January 10th, 2009, 06:06 PM   #883
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Those flyovers were probably added later when the cloverleaf turned out the be insufficient.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 06:12 PM   #884
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It's a good question for me too. All MKAD interchanges that have additional ramp levels, also provide traditional cloverleaf exits. Before deep modernisation of MKAD in mid-90's this flyover was a regular cloverleaf:



As we can see, it was rebuilt completely, neither of original ramps remained. So there was no reason to make these double exits.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #885
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Strange.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 06:44 PM   #886
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How about turning round? Without normal cloverleaf it would have been impossible.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #887
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Well, there are another interchanges at both highways in each direction relatively close to this one. Even a special U-turn at M-8 (1,8 km north from MKAD).
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Old January 10th, 2009, 07:04 PM   #888
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Belgium

They only have some hybrid stack look-a-likes. The fact Europe doesn't have a lot of stacks is probably because we have less of a grid freeway network.

Interchange Machelen.
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Interchange Groot-Bijgaarden.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 07:30 PM   #889
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I want to compile a list of four-level symmetrical stacks that are existing (or in construction) in Europe. These seem to be pretty rare here.
why do you wonder?
we are in europe, in the land of the sky high road, fuel and vehicle taxes...
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Old January 10th, 2009, 07:40 PM   #890
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You'd think we had more money to invest in our infrastructure, right?
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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:11 PM   #891
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I don't wanna be unproductive, but I can't think of any. I suppose there will be one between Polish A1 and A2, when the interchange between them gets built. One of probably quite a few is the one between A1 and A24 east of Rome, but I'm not sure that's what wdw35 meant.

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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #892
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Unfortunately not full one:
http://siskom.waw.pl/autostrady/a2/a2-wezel-strykow.jpg

We also have two half-stack interchanges in Warsaw, one in Wrocław and that's it.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:18 PM   #893
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Prolly the flyovers are impassable when it's really cold. And maybe the flyunder floods.

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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #894
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Too bad. Isn't at least the direction Gdańsk->Warsaw a bit too important to do it with 40 km/h?
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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:23 PM   #895
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$$$
I can't think of nothing else...
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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:27 PM   #896
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^ Yeah, but roads are long-term objects. IMO the Polish A1 and A2 motorways will be a typical example of American grid system (with exception that you'll have expressways inbetween).
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This one is funny cause it looks like a negative of a European junction - concrete in general, asphalt on viaducts, the other way roaund over there.
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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:33 PM   #898
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Stack interchanges "Mikołowska" in Katowice



"Murckowska" interchange

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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:42 PM   #899
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These aren't stacks, if I'm right.

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Old January 10th, 2009, 08:47 PM   #900
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@HS: Man, those are not stacks!
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