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Old February 19th, 2009, 01:06 PM   #921
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If they wanted a spire on sear tower it would be there. Adding a antenna is cheating after the fact thats why they dont count.
and adding a spire is not cheating?

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Old February 19th, 2009, 01:45 PM   #922
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Old February 19th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #923
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luci, you're right.
Adding spires is cheating for the ranlkings. So it would bee cheating, too, if you would count the antenas of the sears tower or adding later spires. Perhaps you should be think, that it is great that the sears tower is one of the few supertalls lige Shanghai World Financial Center, that is not cheating, at all. The officall high schould be the roof over the highest floor.
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Visually, antena or spire are the same thing (actually, a spire is just a useless antena )

For me this is the real TOP 10:

1. Burj Dubai - 701.0 m
2. Shanghai World Financial Center - 492.0 m
3. Taipei 101 - 448.0 m
4. Sears Tower - 442.3 m
5. Guangzhou International Finance Center - 432.0 m
6. 2 International Finance Centre Hong Kong - 406.9 m
7. Empire State Building - 381.0 m
7. Nanjing Greenland Financial Center - 381.0 m
9. Petronas Tower - 378,6 m

the rest of the official height is just a "useless mambo-jambo" to increase the height of the tower.

cant agree with this, a spire is a part of the whole structure, the antenna at the top of the sears tower is not counted as a part of the structure because theyre just placed it on top, it not really a part of the structure.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 02:08 PM   #925
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i dont think thats cheating, tall buildings actually needs it as an antenna
and i think the designers and builders dont think about cheating
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Old February 19th, 2009, 02:43 PM   #926
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Show scale photos of the Sears tower next to the Petronas towers to 20 people and ask them which one is taller.
A stick is a stick.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 02:50 PM   #927
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i dont think thats cheating, tall buildings actually needs it as an antenna
Does the Sears Tower not use his antenna as an antenna?

It is absolutley correct, that a tall buidling needs a spire for the reasons of design and beauty. But it is cheaper and much easier to get your high with this spire, than with more floors. When you compare this building to the sears tower it looks like his little brother. And you see, too, that the sears tower looks without his antenas like cut with an axe. From the point of design the antenas of the sears tower a part of the look of the whoole building and should count to its offical high -> But, if this is possible, you coud put an 300 Meter Antena on the top to get more high. You cannot explain me, that this would not be cheating, so cannot explain to me, putting a nearly 100 Meter Spire on a 380 Meter house (around 20% of its high) is not cheating the rankings

The run in the 1930s in Manhatten between Chryslerbuilding and the Bank of Manhattan is a good example of cheating the rankings with spires.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 03:02 PM   #928
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as ive said, the antenna of the sears tower is not attached to the building or to the whole structure.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 03:03 PM   #929
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Show scale photos of the Sears tower next to the Petronas towers to 20 people and ask them which one is taller.
A stick is a stick.
yeah sears tower looks taller than petronas but its not how it looks, its the official structural height
ask people that loves architecture, they will answer petronas, and ask people that didint know anything about architecture or anything, they will answer sears, thats it.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 03:44 PM   #930
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yeah sears tower looks taller than petronas but its not how it looks, its the official structural height
ask people that loves architecture, they will answer petronas, and ask people that didint know anything about architecture or anything, they will answer sears, thats it.
No, sorry. It is not that easy to descripe all people as stupid, when they dont think the way you think. That's extremly arrogant. I lve archiecture, too and the petronas towers are much more beautiful than the sears tower. But in the Sears Tower you can get higher without climbing, than you can get in the petronas towers. That has nothing to do with beauty, love, pereferences, stupidity or anything. Its just a fact.
An now, you intelligent architecture-lover. What if the constructors puttet an ugly uninspired 50 Meter Spire on the top of the sears towers during the construction? Your argumentation don't works if you just try to say, the other were dumb.
A stick is a stick and a roof is a roof. That's it!

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Old February 19th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #931
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this buildings top out so what has to be done next?
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 07:11 PM   #932
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Visually, antena or spire are the same thing (actually, a spire is just a useless antena )

For me this is the real TOP 10:

1. Burj Dubai - 701.0 m
2. Shanghai World Financial Center - 492.0 m
3. Taipei 101 - 448.0 m
4. Sears Tower - 442.3 m
5. Guangzhou International Finance Center - 432.0 m
6. 2 International Finance Centre Hong Kong - 406.9 m
7. Empire State Building - 381.0 m
7. Nanjing Greenland Financial Center - 381.0 m
9. Petronas Tower - 378,6 m

the rest of the official height is just a "useless mambo-jambo" to increase the height of the tower.


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Old February 23rd, 2009, 10:24 PM   #933
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I thought that comment by luci was so weird until I realised what it was. I find that order much more realistic (visually)
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Old February 24th, 2009, 08:14 AM   #934
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so... if person who's 5'8 wears a 1' hat, does it make him tower than the person who's 6'3?

Because after all, the hat is useful... it blocks sunshine glares, prevents sun burns, keeps out rain and snow and keeps the head warm.

what about high heels? it makes a nice attractive clicking sound that just strikes me dead on the spot.

how about if i just raised my arms?
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Old February 24th, 2009, 03:50 PM   #935
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LOL, your hat argument and the pencil argument someone else posted makes it very hard for people to deny the fact that putting a spire is cheating. And the spire is useless!

So yes, maybe building a 400m building. Then jack it up with a 419 m spire but is very thick at the bottom and thin at the top to make it supportable. (IOW, no floors between the spire) New WTB after Burj Dubai!
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Old February 24th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #936
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LOL, your hat argument and the pencil argument someone else posted makes it very hard for people to deny the fact that putting a spire is cheating. And the spire is useless!
A spire(s) is(are) not useless on somme buildings. They can add beauty to the design.

I have a "problem" counting them to the final height.

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Old February 24th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #937
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We're not saying spires shouldnt be build, spires can look really good. They just shouldnt count for the height.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 09:44 PM   #938
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luci203,that tower in your pic has no spire anyway,and to add one would spoil it completely.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #939
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This thread is derailing on an already very worn discussion
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Old February 25th, 2009, 04:02 AM   #940
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yeah back on topic..

spires that are apart of the design of the building should count towards the final height of that building.

If for no other reason than to maintian consistency in the determination of a building's height. And it is not for the purpose of bragging rights, but rather to allow clear cut and reasonable enforcement of city planning policies.

that's what i believe and will be the final thing i say on this topic.

The hat joke was just because I was bored and felt like arguing against my self.




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