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Old July 24th, 2009, 10:55 AM   #281
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Your point fails when you actually talk rubbish. Your statement is a bit like you claiming a blue shirt is actually red, when everyone else see's the red shirt execpt you. This is your delusion.

Your ignorance is astounding, the fact is the "shirt is red" is socially constructed. Red, blue, etc. do not signify the actual colour of x, our socially accepted notion of what red or blue is. There was a famous experiment where a person was put in a room where they showed colours. The colour they showed was lets say, in our parlance, blue. The entire audience said, "red", eventually most of the individuals started to say red, even though they "knew" it was "blue". Who is being delusional here then? Because I do not conform with your, and the majority's "redist" interpretation? Unable, and unwilling to accept the world of the apparent?
I love this one, "ignorance". Which is defined as a state in which one lacks knowledge, is unaware of something or chooses to subjectively ignore information. You certainly are ignoring everything everyone posts here.

If I am ignorant in your mind simply because I ignore you, then it proves my point entirely.

You walked right into that one.

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Old July 24th, 2009, 12:39 PM   #282
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We need that Nico guy for the German forum. Bringing entertainment to a whole new level.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 01:40 PM   #283
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Geez, thing's been goin deep in the last 4 pages...

Ehhmm, just wanna asked why the original castle and Berliner Dom appear darker in those old pics? The dom looks better in reddish tone, imo.

One more thing, I think it's not necessary to remove those commie buildings. I believe there are people gonnabe appreciating it, including me. The uniformity & dullness in massive scale somehow evoke a strange sensation. Whenever I think about Berlin, I never imagine a city with baroque architecture. The ideology perhaps has been obsolete these days, but not the byproducts, such as design & architecture.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #284
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Oh, you don't?

Where have I said I didn't? My implication by pointing that out to JustMe is that I am engaging a partial, political-ideological discussion; at least I have the ability to concede that. I do not believe it is possible to discuss any issues from an "objective" position, however, that is exactly what JustMe is TRYING to do since he has "truth" on his side. So accuse me of something that I did or said not what you think I said or did.

I love this one, "ignorance". Which is defined as a state in which one lacks knowledge, is unaware of something or chooses to subjectively ignore information. You certainly are ignoring everything everyone posts here.

Tard-box, if I were ignoring what everyone said on this forum, I wouldn't have even bothered to answer anyone's questions. I heard what some people had to say, and I think its crap. You are still engaging in a logical fallacy to support your non-existent argument.

If I am ignorant in your mind simply because I ignore you, then it proves my point entirely.

Uh-huh you are more than ignorant because your words contradict your actions...how stupid are you?
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Old July 24th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #285
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Is this construction going to involve taking the balcony off the Staatsratsgebäude?
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Old July 24th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #286
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No, it stays were it is.
Will be funny in the future to see the reconstruction and the original right beside each other.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 09:51 PM   #287
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Oh, you don't?

Where have I said I didn't? My implication by pointing that out to JustMe is that I am engaging a partial, political-ideological discussion; at least I have the ability to concede that. I do not believe it is possible to discuss any issues from an "objective" position, however, that is exactly what JustMe is TRYING to do since he has "truth" on his side. So accuse me of something that I did or said not what you think I said or did.

I love this one, "ignorance". Which is defined as a state in which one lacks knowledge, is unaware of something or chooses to subjectively ignore information. You certainly are ignoring everything everyone posts here.

Tard-box, if I were ignoring what everyone said on this forum, I wouldn't have even bothered to answer anyone's questions. I heard what some people had to say, and I think its crap. You are still engaging in a logical fallacy to support your non-existent argument.

If I am ignorant in your mind simply because I ignore you, then it proves my point entirely.

Uh-huh you are more than ignorant because your words contradict your actions...how stupid are you?
Well, look at it this way.

I get to look at the new Palace and enjoy it's beauty.

You get to look at the new Palace and ponder all your political ideological battles.

I'll walk away happy. You'll probably walk away in misery, angry at the loss of communism and entertain your fantasies regarding the rise of imperialism

Maybe you should lighten up a little.
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Old July 25th, 2009, 09:26 AM   #288
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Old July 25th, 2009, 02:57 PM   #289
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This whole project is a disgrace for the city of Berlin. In stead of opting for a spectacular modern building or just renovating the old building, they choose to build a Disney castle... This kind of project just makes me sick

What do the Berliners themselves think about this? And I mean the general public, not just on this forum...
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Old July 25th, 2009, 04:44 PM   #290
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As a matter of fact, it depends on who is asking.

1.
Infratest dimap, renowned German polling firm, but the poll was done in order of the Förderverein Berliner Schloss e.V. that supports the reconstruction. Anyway, one should assume Infratest dimap to be neutral.

Representative poll among the population of Berlin, December 2008:
What kind of development do you prefer for the Schlossplatz area?

58% Rebuild the Stadtschloss
34% Build something completely new
05% PdR shouldn't have been demolished
03% Don't know

Pro reconstruction, by East/West

East Berlin 51%
West Berlin 63%

Pro reconstruction, by age (excerpts)

18-25y 71%
25-30y 69%

That's pretty interesting indeed!

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Super Illu, an East-German popular magazine

Representative poll in East Berlin, December 2008:
Rebuild the Stadtschloss?

35% Yes
61% No
04% Don't know

To understand the results (especially the pro-modern faction), one should know how Germans think about public investment. Among the 34% who say 'build something completely new', I'd estimate that there are at least 25% who mean 'build something inexpensive'. So they don't take part in the discussion 'modern vs historical', but they dismiss a representative building in general because they think their taxes are just squandered for it.
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Old July 25th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #291
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Many old landmarks and even entire cities and towns (or whole neighbourhoods) had been destroyed in the bombardments of WW2. And many had been rebuilt as it was, and there are some others which are demolished and rebuilt.

Example, the old city centre of Warsaw, which had been rebuilt, with the same bricks soon after. Old palaces and castles were rebuilt as late as the 1990s.

If the said building is (or was) of historical / cultural / religious / special significance, I rather have it rebuilt. But for me, the rebuilding must be as much as possible, an exact duplicate of the building.

The old building is gone, but if the building has had a very significant place in the history of the city, I feel that a rebuilding is better than a new building which is nothing related to the old one. At the least, people can still see it as it was last time.

I don't understand why the mods are not doing anything about this political discussion in this thread. From a thread about the reconstruction of an old building, it had became a debate on communism vs democracy, etc.
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The political discussion is ok in this case, I'd say. The thread isn't exactly about the reconstruction itself, but the process of the PdR demolition and the ongoing debate what should follow.
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This whole project is a disgrace for the city of Berlin. In stead of opting for a spectacular modern building or just renovating the old building, they choose to build a Disney castle... This kind of project just makes me sick
How is it a Disney castle? If we had built a copy of Versailles in the middle of Berlin, I could get your point but that obviously isn't going to be the case.
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Old July 25th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #294
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Old July 25th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #295
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How is it a Disney castle? If we had built a copy of Versailles in the middle of Berlin, I could get your point but that obviously isn't going to be the case.
The original one was made by skilled artisans, who spent all their lives working on their skills. Paintings, decorations, statues, etc which are made now will be copies, no matter what, and furthermore the building techniques are very different, so I don't see how this building can be considered a valuable addition to the Berlin landscape...

(Disney may have been a bit exaggerated though)
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Old July 26th, 2009, 05:57 AM   #296
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Old July 26th, 2009, 12:10 PM   #297
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^ Nice palace.



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It was rather impressive, seeing the Palast der Republik being torn down last year. I guess the site is another empty place in Berlin right now.

I am curious what the new Stadtschloss will look like, especially after I read that the interiour will be completely modern, and also the eastern facade (facing the Spree) will not be a reconstruction, but a glass facade. That's kind of understandable, hence the original eastern facade was partially renaissance; remaining parts of an earlier Stadtschloss (which would be extremely hard to reconstruct).

I hope though that the Schloss won't look as bright and shiny as they depict on the models. On the other hand, when it was originally built around 1700, it would also have looked brand new...
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Old July 27th, 2009, 02:09 PM   #299
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I think that's a problem with sandstone. It looks very bright when it's new, darkening naturally over the years - at least if it's not specially treated in any way. We are used to seeing it dark (like the facade of the Berliner Dom), but I guess that formerly every building looked like the rebuilt Frauenkirche in Dresden, for example.
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One last point...if the PdR had looked like this, I wouldn't have had a problem with keeping it:

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