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Old July 27th, 2009, 03:17 PM   #301
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That is a cool looking building, what was it?
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Old July 27th, 2009, 03:20 PM   #302
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It's a group of Socialist buildings in Sofia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largo,_Sofia
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Old July 27th, 2009, 06:35 PM   #303
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Old July 27th, 2009, 06:52 PM   #304
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GDR never existed? Ja, that would've been a dream for erbse


I'm so lucky one of this terrorist regimes ugliest vestiges disappeared now.
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Old August 11th, 2009, 05:27 AM   #305
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I think it looks better without the spires. The old design was way to overladen with kitsch. The unfinished reconstruction points out the real proportions... (I'm going to get killed by Erbse and other nostalgics for this statement )
If you think the old design was kitschy you might as well say that all of German historical architecture is just one big giant kitsch.
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Old August 11th, 2009, 06:08 AM   #306
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GDR never existed? Ja, that would've been a dream for erbse


I'm so lucky one of this terrorist regimes ugliest vestiges disappeared now.
Amen to that! God Bless the Federal Republic of Germany!
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Old September 13th, 2010, 09:46 PM   #307
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Germany grapples with future of aging architectural treasures
7 September 2010
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Tourists flock to Germany, in part for its old architecture. But as the buildings age, Germany continues to be faced with a difficult question: rebuild them just as they were, or put something new in their place.

For Wilhelm von Boddien, grappling with the issue of reconstruction is part of a day's work. He is the manager of the association for the rebuilding of the historic Berlin City Palace, which was largely destroyed by Allied bombing in World War II and completely demolished in 1950 by East German authorities.

Von Boddien's stance has made him a target for the project's many opponents, who believe it is too expensive and too unnecessarily fixated on the past. Although the German parliament decided in favor of the reconstruction in 2007, work on the palace has been delayed until 2014 due to budget cuts, sparking even more debate about the merit of such a project.

For von Boddien, the value of the project is clear. "What do people look at when they're on vacation and sightseeing in cities? They first go to see the historic areas and not some soulless modern constructions," he said.

Berlin's Museum Island, where the City Palace is located, is historically significant in itself. It is home to the Old Museum, completed in 1828, the Old National Gallery, opened in 1876, and the Berlin Cathedral from the turn of the 20th century. But according to von Boddien, this cannot compensate for the absence of the City Palace.

"The palace may not be everything, but without it, everything is nothing," explained von Boddien, pointing to what he sees as a void in the island's historical composition.

Emotional decisions

Ursula Schirmer from the German Foundation for Monument Protection has some doubts. In her opinion, a reconstructed palace is basically a new building that is financed by public money. She said that when it comes to allocating money, some older buildings needing restoration not stand a chance against the City Palace, simply because they are not spectacular enough.

Schirmer is not sure whether the highly controversial demolition of the Palace of the Republic - which was built under the East German regime on the site of the former Berlin City Palace - was the right decision, as it was a "political" one.

"From the perspective of monument protection, this is a questionable matter - we're still too close to it emotionally," said Schirmer. "It takes a few generations before an objective decision can be made. But such a time frame is simply not considered in the case of some buildings."

Carl Zillich from Bundesstiftung Baukultur - an organization that monitors the relationship between construction in public space and quality of life - said that "every era should leave behind its own impressive architecture and not foster an architectural still-stand."

However, there does not seem to be a consensus on the side of the investors. "Money for the reconstruction of historic buildings can be obtained far more easily than for well-designed new projects," commented Zillich.

Overcoming traumas

According to Zillich, most reconstructions and restorations in Germany were decided on "in the heat of the moment" and were meant to help overcome the trauma of the destruction suffered during World War II. One prominent example is Dresden's Church of Our Lady, although in contrast to the Berlin City Place it was reconstructed using original remaining materials.

Wilhelm von Boddien, however, cannot understand all the hype surrounding the issue of authenticity. Reconstructions have been carried out many times over the ages, he says, and no one is really interested in the fact that the bell tower of St Mark's Basilica in Venice is a reconstruction of the original.

"Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, six million square meters have been allocated to Berlin's modern constructions," said von Boddien. "Why is it such a problem now if we take up just 150 thousand square meters to erect something that matches this historic location?"

Brain power and creativity

The vice-chairman of the association planning to reconstruct the Potsdam City Palace, Hans-Joachim Kuke, holds a similar view.

"Reconstructions are legitimate buildings projects and have always been a significant need for many peoples and nations," said Kuke. "After all, communities are not prepared to give up buildings that are important to their identities."

Kuke believes that reconstructing a building's facade according to the original, but redoing the inside, is also a legitimate approach. "A facade is incredibly important," argued Kuke, adding that most people probably would not want to use an old-fashioned toilet that was reconstructed according to the original design.

"A reconstruction is a highly artistic project - I don't understand why it's often dismissed like this. You need a lot of brain power and creativity to integrate modern features, such as insulation, into a historic reconstruction."

The City Palace has yet to be rebuilt, but with its many historical buildings, Germany will have plenty of other opportunities to choose between new and redone.

The exhibition "The History of Reconstruction; the Construction of History" at the Pinakothek in Munich currently examines societies' decisions to rebuild valuable buildings which had been damaged by time or war. Click through the picture gallery below for some examples.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 09:18 AM   #308
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Thank God they got rid of that disgusting building. The GDR is responsible for some of the greatest architectural atrocities of the 20th Century.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 10:15 AM   #309
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I agree with the destruction of the old DDR people's palace, which was terrible and ugly and worthy of little but destruction. And, in fact a great deal of DDR architecture was horrendous. But there were a few gleaming lights from the DDR. I am very fond of the TV tower, and last week finally I got the chance to walk up Karl-Marx-Alley. If you ever do walk up this street you would be considered mad by most people to demolish it as it is quite simply a fantastic architectural monument and worthy of preservation.

Back to topic though, I am in favour of the rebuilding of the original city palace, but sadly it is quite a long time to have a vacant lot there until construction begins in 2014.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 01:54 PM   #310
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hehe i do hope that berlin won't tear down all commie buildings...e.g. tv tower ;-)
I like the approach of combining "historical" and contemporary architecture, i love the result of the reconstruction of neues museum...amazing rooms!
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neues_M...9#Wiederaufbau
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Old September 14th, 2010, 02:21 PM   #311
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GDR never existed? Ja, that would've been a dream for erbse


I'm so lucky one of this terrorist regimes ugliest vestiges disappeared now.
ha, for the one people the gdr has never existed, for the others it still lives!
Like Misses Honecker
http://www.bild.de/BILD/politik/2009...zukriegen.html

But it is disgrace! She did Republikflucht into the ultrafascism state of Chile! Unbelievable! Because the GDR still exist!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lt1TOOZ_v4

And i guess Uncle Josef has never died and his spirit lives on and himself is still sitting in Moscow.

But to the topic. There are so many building which represent the gdr, i don't understand why the gdr-nostalgiers are worrying about that "place". There are still so many Plattenbauten, where people live in, how can be more the gdr rememberd and rerepresentatived?

and sorry for my many gramma and spelling mistakes

Bye Place of the Republic and Welcome Stadtschloß!
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #312
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great comment on erasing the traces of an unwanted history
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Old September 14th, 2010, 08:58 PM   #313
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How's it great? Just walk a bit further east and you'll find statues of Marx and Engels, Commieblocks and Workers' Palaces (Karl-Marx-Allee).
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Old September 15th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #314
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hehe i do hope that berlin won't tear down all commie buildings...e.g. tv tower ;-)
I like the approach of combining "historical" and contemporary architecture, i love the result of the reconstruction of neues museum...amazing rooms!
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neues_M...9#Wiederaufbau
Yeah, it's one of Berlin's most prized symbols.

I actually think building playful, kiddy architecture, as you say "combining historical and contemporary architecture", is more socialist than the buildings they tear down. Looking at much communist architecture, I notice plain Jane boxes with undetailed, obscure ornamentation. Think the Sony Building in New York, only on smaller proportions.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 08:56 PM   #315
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great comment on erasing the traces of an unwanted history
Don't worry, there are plenty of traces left from that period. Too many IMHO. And most of them will stay there, unless half of the city is demolished.
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Old September 15th, 2010, 10:34 PM   #316
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sure (the demolition still is controversial though - personally I'd have very much preferred an inventive reconversion, especially above the reconstruction plans - come on ...)

but my comment was primarily about how the comment was done (in form and language) ... which is very nicely ironic.

'the ddr has never existed'
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Old September 17th, 2010, 01:32 AM   #317
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how many confused forumers!

the "palace" wasn't demolished because it was built by communist.

it was demolished because it's disgustingly ugly!
it made of Berlin an uglier place to live and visit.

Berlin is much nicer now
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Old September 17th, 2010, 04:26 PM   #318
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Old September 18th, 2010, 12:04 AM   #319
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I don't understand why Germans think that GDR was bad thing. I'm sure that East Germany was great place to life. If were German I would be proud of my country's history.
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Well done.
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