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Old February 22nd, 2007, 10:21 AM   #81
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Great, got a source for that?
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 03:09 PM   #82
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http://www.rbb-online.de/_/nachricht...ws5384961.html
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 03:58 PM   #83
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Thx.
What does Tiefensee have to do with all of this?
Anyways its good news.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:14 PM   #84
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Offiziell heisst sein Ministerium ja "Bundesministerium fr Verkehr, Bau und Stadtentwicklung".
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Old March 11th, 2007, 04:28 PM   #85
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Yes they will build a glass roof in the Schlter Courtyard.
The latest news suggest that the palace could be completed in 2013 but the glass roof will not be built.
Its too expensive.
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Old July 5th, 2007, 04:58 PM   #86
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I'm really missing this thang in the impression of Berlin... Cain't wait to see it rising from the ashes of the unreasonable "People's Palace"





Any news from this grand beauty?
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Old July 5th, 2007, 07:17 PM   #87
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The cabinet has given its approval to the reconstruction plans put forward by Tiefensee. Looks like everything's going well.
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this is excellent! Hopefully it sparks something like Dresdens numarkt reconstruction! They should reconsturct all of downtown Berlin as it was before WW2.
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Old July 8th, 2007, 01:30 PM   #90
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are they rebuilding that stunning river pavilion too? Its a perfect announcement to the grandeur of the palace behind.

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Old July 8th, 2007, 04:25 PM   #91
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Sadly they aren't. That pavillion was a monument to Wilhelm I, so it's hardly surprising that the Commies removed it as well.
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Old July 8th, 2007, 04:27 PM   #92
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Some more renderings











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Old July 8th, 2007, 04:47 PM   #93
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Beautiful building.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 02:21 AM   #94
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To be honest, the Stadtschloss was a quite average, if not boring, building. It is utterly absurd to bring back a building in a copy that has gone several decades. I must say the taste in the Reichstag/Bundestag is really hardenedly conservative, if not reactionary.
The Palast der Republik may not fit with its environments, but this is the overal picture of this historical city, not to mention the palace is a germ of East German modernism, a monumental specimen of this era, a testimony of an art school. No other comparable piece is available. There are two reasons why it seems to be an eyesore now: one is that the aesthetism of 70s modernism is not popular now, which could change anytime, the second is that the building is intentionally negleted and ampulated. To say it is interchangeable with the Alexanderplatz is absurd, the latter one is a completely different concept, designed for a completely different purpose.
Not few East Berliners have expressed strong opposition to this demolition, so does the city council and city senate. It is for two reasons: one is that the most East Germans may not like GRD, but neither will they demonize their past to the extent to fit in with the ideological clichs of West, and the second is that the city finance is in ruins, a lot of buildings of more historic importance lack money and attention, and the residents of the city are held absolutely in darkness what the building is good for.
Also, for East Germans, the Palast der Republik was not only the seat of the former East German politicality, it was also a most import venue of culture in that era. A lot of East Germans might have once attended a concert, an exhibition, a conference there, when it was the most chic and extravagant building in the east part of the city from 70s through 80s. That is why a lot of East Germans really think it a palace of the people although they may hate the regime. West Germans don't know this side of the story and don't want to know it.
To just erase it and erect in its place a fake of the past is not only unoriginal but insulting to a quite broad population, who now often choose to vote the former communists as means of protesting their neglected situation. Last time almost two thirds of the East Berlin population did so.
Actully, if you find this building an eyesore, there are a lot of viable plans at hand to modify it or adapt it. However, the people in the Bundestag just want the glorious past back, at best as a digitalized facsimile, exact in size and color tone.

And: The Hohenzollerns' connection with the militarism and the Nazism is already indisputable. The inflated nationalism and military mania during the era of the German Empire was not only responsible for the first war, but also for the second one. Hitler was once a loyal soldier influenced and indoctrined by this dynasty. During 1930s the exile emperor volunteered for Hitler, only to be turned down by the dictator who deemed the old man as superfluous.
And to say that East Germans invaded Czeckoslovakia is quite ridiculous. Bound by the Warsaw Pact, they only dispatched a small number of soldiers to backup the Soviets. Generally they did not fire any bullets. East Germany was a very small country of 19 million, the size of that of the Netherlands.

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Old July 9th, 2007, 01:03 PM   #95
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Didn't we have this kind of discussion earlier on in the thread? Or in another one?

Anyway, the GDR was a murderous regime which shot its own citizens. No need to sugarcoat it.





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Hitler was Austrian. He may have fought for Germany in WWI but up until the 20s he spent most of his life in Austria (Linz, Vienna). What shaped him the most was Austrian anti-Semitism, not Hohenzollern militarism.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 01:13 PM   #96
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Why don't they just TNT it?

Can't wait to see ppl doing the same thing with the Culture Palace in Dresden.

Hope I'll live to the day they get rid of Commie building in Vietnam.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 01:23 PM   #97
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I think it's because they're on an island and just blowing up the place could cause some structural damage elsewehere.
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Why don't they just TNT it?
Thats not possible.
It would damage surrounding historical buidlings.
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Old July 9th, 2007, 01:41 PM   #99
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Thats not possible.
It would damage surrounding historical buidlings.
That's one reason.
Moreover a lot of asbestos was found and blowing up the palace would "contaminate" the surrounding area.
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