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Old May 15th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #121
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OK, let me rephrase. By and large Berlin is an architectural disaster. However, it makes sense to try and improve the situation by removing eyesores and replacing them with better architecture. That's what's happening with the Schloss right now. Once it's finished, the entire area (Museumsinsel, Bauakademie, Friedrichswerder, eastern part of Unter den Linden with the Zeughaus, Kommandantur, University, Neue Wache etc) will look quite good.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 01:46 AM   #122
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Any news on this one? It's been a while.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 07:16 AM   #123
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i've been to Berlin and i liked it,am i weird?-although ok no comparison with the other places i visited like Leipzig and Dresden or Potsdam Berlin was nice but i didnt meet many Germans there,although i saw many North Africans and Turkish people
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Old June 8th, 2008, 01:05 AM   #124
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The "Palace of the Republic"? The very name is a load of crap. Nothing about this modern nightmare came close to a palace and the GDR was a Republic in name only; Subservient to the will of Moscow and the Communist Party. It was an ugly building that lacked the beauty of the old Schloss and is a painful reminder of the division of Germany. The German people have suffered long enough with the memories of the past and lord knows there are more then enough memorials and building to remind them of that fact! If you want, build a "memorial" to it and leave it at that!
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Old June 8th, 2008, 01:08 AM   #125
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Old June 9th, 2008, 10:21 AM   #126
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The new building was hideous but the new-old one doesn't look like anything special as far as palaces go. I wouldn't rebuild it.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 03:33 PM   #127
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I've seen worse...it's perhaps no Versailles but it's still pretty good looking.

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Old June 9th, 2008, 10:19 PM   #128
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Yeah, it's certainly not bad at all! That's not what I meant.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 06:13 AM   #129
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This has probably already been addressed, but when I lived in Berlin, I took note of
Staatsratsgebäude containing a portion of the old castle on its facade (as Im sure is the main thing of note to all people who see it). Is that being located to the new castle?
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Old July 17th, 2008, 06:29 AM   #130
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I agree, its not the most beautiful palace in the world, but its a step up from the modern dump that was there before!
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Old September 27th, 2008, 06:50 AM   #131
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amen, you should always build something if its going to replace something a lot worse.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 12:49 PM   #132
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Goodbye Palace



Welcome back Castle of Berlin


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Old October 20th, 2008, 03:23 PM   #133
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Me too, but be have to wait another 15 years to see it standing

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Old October 21st, 2008, 10:30 AM   #134
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How long would the rebuilding take?
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Old October 21st, 2008, 12:22 PM   #135
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Demolished Berlin's Socialist Palace is Revived in Dubai
11 August 2008
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Tearing down the socialist Palace of the Republic - once dubbed the "Palazzo Prozzo" by the East Berliners -- is bringing handsome profits for scrap firm operators involved in its demolishment.

Vast-sized steel girders from the socialist era building, some of them 90 meters long and weighing more than 100 tons, have been removed from the premises recently, amidst a blaze of sparks and noise.

Hardly a happy ending for the former seat of the East German parliament which apart from its political role was once a popular dance and leisure facility for East Berliners in the 1980s. Not that many people shed tears about the demise of the former 180-metre-wide building, considered a prize piece of socialist architecture when it opened in 1976.

Heavily involved at the Schlossplatz Palace site is Schrott-Wetzel, a Rosslau-based scrap company in Saxony-Anhalt, some 120 kilometers (75 miles) south-west of Berlin. In recent weeks, 30 of its workers have been using powerful steel-cutting gear to get at the building's maze of steel girders.

An architectural behemoth

Demolishing the building is a costly undertaking for the government, involving the removal of 56,000 tons of concrete, 20,000 tons of steel and iron, 500 tons of glass, as well as other materials. The bill is likely to be high, close on one billion euros ($1.5 billion) according to some city experts. This is despite the fact that the heavily indebted city is likely to gain 10.7 million euros from the sale of the building's steel.

Massive-sized girders from the Palace's once proud parliamentary chamber were dismantled recently, cut into six-meter-long segments, then loaded into barges docked alongside the Schlossplatz site -- prior to a three-day river journey to Rosslau. There, the steel will get melted down for shipment to the United Arab Emirate of Dubai, and to buyers in Turkey for use in Volkswagen engines.

"The quality of the steel is excellent," said Henryk Wetzel, the Rosslau scrap-metal boss in Berlin. "We have no difficulty finding markets for it."

A "Palace" will be reborn

Steel from the "Palast" will be is used in the 1,200-meter "Al Burj" project, now under construction in Dubai. The 228-floor Dubai "super tower" will be the world's tallest building when completed in 2010.

Wolfgang Lindau, the head of the Schrott Wetsel steel smelter, said shipping steel to Dubai is important for his company and that the arrangement would continue. So far the company has gotten two barges with 1,600 tons steel from Berlin. The rest is expected to arrive in November.

The Rosslau company has Europe's most dynamic steel-cutting equipment, possessing a 2,000-ton pressure ability. It's capable of snapping the thickest steel girders like matchsticks, say company workers. Involvement in the Berlin demolition project brings welcome publicity for the firm. Wetzel hopes the company’s equipment will become better known as a result.

Today, little of the once palatial socialist era building remains. Once tagged "Erich's Lamp Shop" because of the many lamps it used to have in its foyer and its links to the late communist leader Erich Honecker -- the task of destroying the "Palast" will be finished by the spring of 2009, perhaps earlier.

Meanwhile, curious tourists gather at the Schlossplatz site, snapping pictures of the ruins and taking shots of the nearby Protestant Cathedral and Museum Island through the yawning holes in the doomed structure.

A new palace for the future

After Berlin's reunification in 1990, a huge debate arose over what should be done with the building. Many in the west were in favor of it being torn down, arguing it was not only an ugly edifice, but also too closely associated with the reviled East German (GDR) regime. In the east, however, such views riled citizens raised in the former communist state. They claimed its destruction would rob thousands of people who had enjoyed dances, bowling and theatre performances there during the socialist era of part of their "cultural identity."

But Gerhard Schroeder, Germany's former Social Democratic chancellor, was unimpressed by such talk. In the mid-1990s he labeled the Palace of the Republic "a ghastly building" and strongly urged it be done away with. Following the fall of the Berlin Wall, experts found the Palace was riddled with 720 tons of hazardous asbestos. Removing it cost a whopping $50 million, reducing the premises to a skeleton-like state. Later, still more asbestos was discovered in the building. By 2002, the German parliament had had enough and voted to pull it down.

Now, the plans are to replace it with a Humboldt Cultural Forum and a building with a "historical facade," reminiscent of the pre-war Hohenzollern Palace, blown up in 1950 by the communist authorities. Redevelopment of the famous Schlossplatz, say city planners, will enable the square to become a focal point of city art, culture, and scientific activity in the years to come.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 01:40 AM   #136
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 04:22 PM   #137
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Glad to see the palace is being rebuilt,that large empty peice of land is like a tooth missing on an otherwise beautiful smile.I LOVE BERLIN.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 05:40 PM   #138
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Old November 19th, 2008, 06:37 PM   #139
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Berlin opens new temporary art hall
29 October 2008

BERLIN (AP) - A blue-and-white cube housing contemporary art exhibitions opened Wednesday on a Berlin city square that has been at the center of a long-running dispute over past and future palaces.

The new structure, designed by Austrian architect Adolf Krischanitz, stands on the huge Schlossplatz, or Palace Square, in the shadow of five-story concrete pillars -- all that remains of the Palace of the Republic that once was home to communist East Germany's parliament.

Officials plan eight exhibitions by established artists and newer talents, kicking off with a video installation by South African artist Candice Breitz called "Inner + Outer Space."

The hall -- covering 6,458 square foot (600 square meters) -- will be demolished after two years to make way for construction of a partial replica of the Prussian royal palace, whose bombed-out remains were razed by the communists after World War II to make way for East Germany's parliament building.

The communists called the 1970s parliament building the Palace of the Republic, and East Berliners fondly remember it for also holding cafes and a bowling alley.

After Germany's reunification, it was deemed riddled with asbestos and was condemned in 1990.

But the building's destruction is a source of regret to some, and many artists believe it should have remained as a unique exhibition space.

"Tearing down the palace was the biggest mistake Berlin ever made," said Dorothea Etzler, a 48-year-old artist who has lived in the city since 1980.

"It had the potential to be Berlin's Palais de Tokyo," she said, referring to Paris' major exhibition site.

Guenter Steincke, 78, a former engineer, said he remembers visiting the original Prussian palace in the 1940s, and is looking forward to seeing it rebuilt.

"There's no doubt that it belongs here," Steincke said.

Construction is scheduled to run from 2010-13, but it is unclear what the new palace will house.

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Its only in Berlin possible to build a art hall and demolish it after a few years. Berlin is great, my capital! Love it
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