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Old November 20th, 2008, 07:05 PM   #141
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that is gonna be crazy to reconstruct the palace.. but that is gonna be wonderful when it is donne...
the palace looks more like a EUROPE VIEW ...
than with that bad looking building...

i hope to see this construction done
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Old November 29th, 2008, 01:21 AM   #142
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The final design has been selected...the winner: Francesco Stella.



Modern facade:



Courtyard:





The old Socialist "palace" is about to disappear completely:

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Old November 29th, 2008, 07:50 AM   #143
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Why not rebuild the whole thing exactly as it was?
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Old November 29th, 2008, 08:30 AM   #144
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What the hell is this rubbish? Why the f*** do they always have to add this modern crap into the mix? Is it not possible to build it to be exactly the same way it was before?
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Old November 29th, 2008, 11:28 AM   #145
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I like it and definitely prefer it to a big Disneyland or Las Vegas-like one.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 08:49 PM   #146
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Its hard to satisfy the modernists, but actually we can be glad that it gets restored up to this level at all.

One has to consider first of all that it has to serve a modern purpose, it would be a bit too expensive to rebuild it as an imperial castle for no other purpose than maybe some tours through it.

Thats why it will be a used as a museum/culture complex. Such a complex has certain demands regarding space and volumina etc. Thats why it can't be rebuilt completely authentic.

I would have preferred however another reconstruction. The one of Kolhoff would have created a more harmonic courtyard.

One should appreciate however the fact that the facade of three direction will be authentically restored, only the backside will be in a modern language. If one knows how chaotic and small structured this side was in the original castle thats a decision one can understand, after all, as I have said, this building has to function as well, not just look nice. And towards the squre it is directed it, a modern facade probably fits better than an old one anyway.
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Old December 8th, 2008, 10:49 PM   #147
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Why not build it pure? the facade at least. I see no valid reason to give the baroque building a modern facade on one side.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 01:03 PM   #148
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When a classicist suggests adding neoclassical elements to a new building, he/she is accused of being anachronistic, kitsch and so on. When a modernist adds modern elements to an old building, then it's "an interesting mix". In Athens, after they wiped out 3/4 of the city AFTER WWII (the war damages were not too heavy, Athens was never carped-bombed), then they started adding glass extensions to restored neoclassical buildings. These things really piss me off. I had thought the Berlin Palace would be rebuilt as an exact replica. Buildings that were totally destroyed by the war have been rebuilt in so many other German cities, and also in Poland and elsewhere. What is it that makes is so difficult for it to happen in Berlin (and Athens as well)?
It's one thing to mix different styles in an area...it can often be interesting (though I prefer stylistically pure areas I must admit)...and it's a totally different thing to produce bastardized buildings. Of course it needs a modern interior, but why bastardize the exterior? I was really looking forward to seeing the Palace, this is disappointing...
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Old December 12th, 2008, 05:57 PM   #149
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Berlin Prepares Ground for New Palace
3 December 2008
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Germany completed the demolition of a communist-era building that doubled as a house of parliament and palace of culture, clearing the site for a replica of the earlier Berlin royal palace.

A design for the old-new palace, to be named the Humboldt Forum, was picked last week, but building work at the site in the middle of the German capital will not start for another two years.

Completing two years of work, diggers ripped down on Tuesday, Dec. 2, the final staircase of the Palace of the Republic, which was once a 180-meter (590-foot) long building lined with the asbestos insulation and clad with copper-colored glass.

Old-time communists have mourned the demise of former East Germany's grandest building, opened in 1976, and have opposed plans to recreate the outward form of the old royal palace.

The authoritarian kaisers lived in Berlin or nearby Potsdam until the last abdicated in 1918 and Germany became a republic. The old palace was gutted by fire during World War II and demolished in 1950.

Michael Moeller, in charge of the new demolition work, said, "That's the finish of the main job. Now we have to grind up the last pile of rubble and take everything off the site."

The pit left after demolition is to be filled with 20,000 cubic meters of sand so grass can be planted on the site until work begins in 2010 on the Humboldt Forum.
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Old December 14th, 2008, 04:40 AM   #150
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I am assuming that 3/4 of the exterior will be COMPLETELY restored?
If so, where are the two little cupolas that were on the sides of the dome? Are they to be restored? If not, why so?
Anyhow, it is a step. It is likely later on they will restore it completely but I suppose this is a 75% reconstruction.
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This must be a bad joke

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Old December 14th, 2008, 10:18 PM   #152
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Why? To me it's not that bad.
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Why? To me it's not that bad.
A replica of the historical palace, with part modern facade?
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^ That's the rear of the palace, not the facade. And the rear is the only side not to be replicating the historical exterior.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 09:01 AM   #155
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Why not rebuild the whole thing?
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Because it will look like a big fake, like a las-vegas-style. This is IMO a good balance between the historical palace and a brend new one.
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Because it will look like a big fake, like a las-vegas-style. This is IMO a good balance between the historical palace and a brend new one.
Why would it appear fake?
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Why would it appear fake?

Because it would appear like a big movie-set, totally reconstructed, where everything is not original, like a reproduction of an ancient greek vase, beautiful but fake.
If i were the city authority I would never rebuild the same palace (in Italy you'll never see such a reconstruction) but a new modern one instead, maybe with the original parts left from demolition inserted in the new building.
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Old December 16th, 2008, 06:59 AM   #159
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I agree with some of the above comments. If you are going to rebuild a historic structure, then be true to it. But if they are going to add this modern crap to it, then I'd rather they not rebuild it at all. Hell, I'd prefer the old Palace of the Republic, atleast it would have been preserved in its true form! This THING is a disgrace to the History of Berlin!
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It depends .. some modernization of historic buildings can be successfully achieved. For example, the new buildings next to St. Paul's in London have a historic touch, yet don't feel out of place or fake at all. It really hinges on the execution.
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