GLASGOW - Celtic Park (60,832)

[footballaintforbirds]

Originally Posted by Scotland_The_Brave

Apart from name calling for 90 minutes at Old Firm games, Scotland doesn't really have any problems with sectarianism. Yes, 27 Old Firm fans have been killed in the last 10 years (14 Celtic, 13 Rangers), but these fans were killed by nutters who would have killed someone at some point regardless of the reasons. The housing estates in Glasgow are very violent and these nutters were always going to kill at some point. Football was just their excuse, if it wasn't football it would of been something else!! The whole problem is highly exaggerated by the media. Read the link and you will see that no real problems exist -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/415415.stm


Please people, don't listen to this bigot called 'Magic_Zurawski'. He has admitted he went to a Scottish Catholic school, so he is simply going to hate everything about Protestant Scotland. He is a typical Celtic fan with a paranoid chip on his shoulder. He thinks everybody is out to get him in Scotland, when in reality nobody could care less about him!!

'Magic_Zurawski' - Don't drag other clubs into your bigoted world. Celtic/Rangers are the ones with bigots, all the fans of other Scottish teams couldn't care less about your warped bigoted way of thinking.

Every time somebody disagrees with him, he calls them a bigot!! In Scotland we call it 'playing the Catholic card'. It is the same as some minorities who play the 'race card'. Basically, whenever someone is not good enough at something, they play this card and accuse people of being racists/bigots so that they can get whatever they want even though they don't deserve it!! You can even get T-Shirts highlighting this



Check the site, loads of funny t-shirts -

http://www.soccerhell.co.uk/alltshirts.php

The 14 figure is correct, the 13 is grossly exaggerated and is closer to 1 or 2, which is still too many.

[footballaintforbirds]

Originally Posted by Scotland_The_Brave

Within a few days of appearing on this site, you and your friends had closed down a thread that had been going for over 6 months. A thread that most users on the site had enjoyed. You can have no complaints if someone decides to ruin your thread as you done the exact same with your bigoted nonsense to someone else's thread!! What's wrong? Do you not like the taste of your own medicine? Typical Celtic fan....he can dish it out, but he starts crying when he gets it back!! You and your bigoted friends with their terrorist talk are not welcome on the site. You are simply an embarrassment to Scotland and its good kind people.

How would you know how long a thread was here since you have only posted twice ?

[kingdomca]

Originally Posted by 2zanzibar

The whole thing stinks!! Its ridiculous and its the 21st century and not the dark ages. Its so sad that religion; that greatest mechanism of subjective control and discredited way back in the 19th century as being little more than a stupid opiate; is still being fought out in a modern society and more to the point, a modern city like Glasgow!!!

so why do you do it yourself?

non-religion is your belief and its not superior to other beliefs, so youre guilty of the same thing you attack.

[2zanzibar]

Originally Posted by kingdomca

so why do you do it yourself?

non-religion is your belief and its not superior to other beliefs, so youre guilty of the same thing you attack.

This is somewhat trite reasoning, but in broad generalised terms its an obvious point. But I guess you have to question a belief system which refuses to acknowledge the rights and claims of the other; be it religious or political. In this particular instance, football has been hijacked to ferry in a redundant sectarian conflict. We're talking of organised dogmas here that serve little function except to reinforce patterns of exclusion, hatred and often violence. Its not compatible with a modern society to which Scotland is part of. And while organised belief systems might give solace to many, its stupid mythologising is often at the expense of any real change and real negotiation. In effect, a social lobotomy

Football will always be a vehichle for something other than 22 players and a ball. This is a given. Historically it's been a matter of class distinction, perhaps now its an economic function, all these things aren't particularly helpfull. But hey! its all part of life's rich 'Intelligent Design'

[2zanzibar]

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[01dc07]

Celtic Park is my favourite place in the world.

I'm sad to see that this thread has gone quite off-topic, but since I am new to this site, I would like to comment anyway. The stadium, like many, is not too easy on the eye on the outside, depending on how you look at it.However, on the inside, it is a great arena, particularly at night. The YNWA against Barca on the day of the Madrid bombings was one of the most emotional moments of my life.

Although built cheaply, there is no possibility of the stadium falling down or any abnormal maintenance costs. I suspect that the poster The Hoops is a Rangers fan as most of the lies he has told can commonly be heard on any Rangers website etc.I also suspect the guy claiming to be an Aberdeen fan is also a Rangers fan, but I don't really care.

Also, those outsiders who think that the problems between OF fans are all down to religion are wrong. Would you not expect a very heated rivalry between fans of 2 clubs who are the biggest and most successful in the country and are also in the same city? It may not occur in England, but it happens in many other countries in the world.

Anyway, back to the stadium. I do not expect the Main Stand to be redeveloped anytime soon. The cost would be astronomical and for a club operating in Celtic's financial climate it is a non-starter.

Long post I know, great site though.

[Brent H.]

Dang, these Old Firm matches sound exciting, are they on TV in the US? Celtic Park and Ibrox both look really cool and very different from what we have on this side of the pond.

Originally Posted by 01dc07

Also, those outsiders who think that the problems between OF fans are all down to religion are wrong. Would you not expect a very heated rivalry between fans of 2 clubs who are the biggest and most successful in the country and are also in the same city? It may not occur in England, but it happens in many other countries in the world.

Sounds interesting, there arent many professional sports rivalries in the US which are in the same city (since most US leagues only have 1 team per city, 2 at the most), and certainly none with this kind of intensity. College sports are a different matter, in-state rivalrys are pretty intense, especially when you see opposing fans every day.

[01dc07]

Originally Posted by Brent H.

Dang, these Old Firm matches sound exciting, are they on TV in the US? Celtic Park and Ibrox both look really cool and very different from what we have on this side of the pond.



Sounds interesting, there arent many professional sports rivalries in the US which are in the same city (since most US leagues only have 1 team per city, 2 at the most), and certainly none with this kind of intensity. College sports are a different matter, in-state rivalrys are pretty intense, especially when you see opposing fans every day.

I have heard about the college rivalries, I was told it can be pretty heated. I'm not sure if Old Firm games are shown on TV in America. Well, they must be somehow because there are so many supporters clubs etc in America. I'm not sure if it's on TV or not, but there's an Old Firm game on this Sunday.

[dgnr8]

I think the fact that Nil By Mouth tried to called Rangers bigots over mowing a tartan pattern into the pitch just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is up there. They claimed Rangers mowed in an Orangeman's sash. Which was absolute bollocks.

[01dc07]

Originally Posted by dgnr8

I think the fact that Nil By Mouth tried to called Rangers bigots over mowing a tartan pattern into the pitch just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is up there. They claimed Rangers mowed in an Orangeman's sash. Which was absolute bollocks.

It wasn't NBM, they never accused anyone of anything. It was the News of the Screws that printed the accusation. Who believes a word of that?

[dgnr8]

Aye, it was them. They're a corrupt organisation, anybody can see this. Well anybody who doesn't support either of the Old Firm.

[footballaintforbirds]

Originally Posted by footballaintforbirds

The 14 figure is correct, the 13 is grossly exaggerated and is closer to 1 or 2, which is still too many.

Another Celtic victory over Rankgers has again been overshadowed by the murders of 2 more Celtic supporters after the match.
This now brings the disgusting tally to 16 in recent years.

[The_Hoops]

Originally Posted by footballaintforbirds

Another Celtic victory over Rankgers has again been overshadowed by the murders of 2 more Celtic supporters after the match.
This now brings the disgusting tally to 16 in recent years.

More made up rubbish. Nobody was killed in Scotland this week in sectarian attacks. Some people will have been killed, and there is a very high chance they supported a football club, but they were not killed BECAUSE they supported that football club.

My friends cousin was stabbed to death and he was a Falkirk fan. However, the fact he was a Falkirk fan was not the reason he was attacked. Nearly all victims of murders in Glasgow will be either Rangers or Celtic fans as nearly all males in Glasgow support Rangers or Celtic. This doesn't mean they were killed because they support either of these teams. I am a Celtic fan and if I was stabbed to death by a burglar, does that mean it was sectarian attack? No, of course it doesn't.

Give it a rest mate. I was as happy as anybody with the win over Rangers. Stop trying to play the oppressed and turn it into something it wasn't. You are making Celtic, Glasgow and Scotland look like a backward country, which we are not.

[Its AlL gUUd]

I agree remarks like that will make people look at scotland in a different light, after getting involved in several sport forums i have now got a full education on the crime figures of Glasgow(which r really bad). Individual spouting things like that in an architectural forum really need to look at themselves- Scotland deserves better.

[Jack Rabbit Slim]

Why is it that every single 'Celtic' or 'Rangers' or 'Celtic vs Rangers' thread ends up being a magnet for every pathetic, bickering Scottish idiot this side of the Atlantic?

I think it's probably becasue Scotland only has two half-decent, well-known football clubs, so naturally its the only real rivalry available for people to fight about.

English football-and Spanish for that matter-has many many top class rivalries for many different reasons (Man U v Liverpool, Man U v Man City, Bolton v Arsenal, Arsenal v Chelsea, Liverpool v Everton, Man U v Arsenal...etc etc etc) and each one is bitter, intense, passionate and always exciting, that's why everyone loves them, no matter which club they support. But when it comes to Celtic and Rangers, the rivalry isn't healthy and lively, it's just an excuse to bitch, whine, fight, punch and bicker with eachother. And I've gotta say, from an outsider's p.o.v, it's just really lame!
It's no wonder Scotland's football repuation is so low, if the game itself takes backseat to the non-snesical, irrelevant little disputes between the clubs playing. And from what I've heard, those people who don't support Rangers or Celtic in Scotland are just as fed up with them as everyone else. They're bringing down the whole Scottish league imo.

There's even a section on wikipedia about this over-wraught rivalry:

"The competition between the two clubs has its roots in more than just a simple athletic rivalry. It is infused with a series of complex disputes centred on religion (Catholic and Protestant) and Northern Ireland politics. The result has been an enduring enmity between fans that has extended beyond the kind of intra-city footballing rivalry that might be expected in situations where two clubs dominate a country's footballing scene. This has been manifested in a history laden with sectarian violence, sometimes leading to deaths.
Increasingly in recent years, both clubs have frequently participated in initiatives and campaigns along with religious organisations and the Scottish Executive directed at removing the sectarian undercurrent, including supporting pressure group Nil by Mouth. However, disagreements about what constitutes sectarian behaviour have undermined progress in these matters, and consensus over what types of songs and flags are acceptable remains difficult to achieve."

Arguing over what types of songs and flags are acceptable...

"Both Celtic and Rangers have expressed a desire to leave the Scottish league system and become part of the English Premiership. Both clubs currently receive less in television revenue than many English clubs with smaller fan bases. A move to the Premiership would give both Old Firm clubs a significant financial boost...."
"...Reports have suggested that Premiership clubs voted 20 - 0 in 2004 to reject the Old Firm's admission to the Premiership"

It is no surprise to find that no-one wants these war-mongering clubs in the English Premier league, I mean, who wants to travel all the way to Scotland to play against a team who's supporters are more interested in slagging off and fighting the opposition's supporters then watching the actual match. We don't need this whole Rangers/Celtic crap bringing down the standards of the Premiership!

In threads about Arsenal's new sadium ,or Liverpool's, or Man United's extension etc there are plenty of people from different areas of the country, who support the rivals of the team in question, who manage to give compliments about how the new stadium will look, and it is generally broad-minded and rational, but as soon as you see a thread about Ranger's or Celtic's stadium, you just know that within 5 posts there will be at least one person posting hate-filled comments and pictures to discredit the stadium and the team. And this thread is no different. In fact, the only thing that has surprised me so far in this thread is the absence of BuBomb adding his crap to the pile.

Lets try and focus on the actual stadium itself, which, although not particularly impressive, still has a large capacity, good history and a decent atmosphere. Is there plans for an extension or updating of the stadium, or has that already been done recently?

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by Jack Rabbit Slim

Why is it that every single 'Celtic' or 'Rangers' or 'Celtic vs Rangers' thread ends up being a magnet for every pathetic, bickering Scottish idiot this side of the Atlantic?

I think it's probably becasue Scotland only has two half-decent, well-known football clubs, so naturally its the only real rivalry available for people to fight about.

English football-and Spanish for that matter-has many many top class rivalries for many different reasons (Man U v Liverpool, Man U v Man City, Bolton v Arsenal, Arsenal v Chelsea, Liverpool v Everton, Man U v Arsenal...etc etc etc) and each one is bitter, intense, passionate and always exciting, that's why everyone loves them, no matter which club they support. But when it comes to Celtic and Rangers, the rivalry isn't healthy and lively, it's just an excuse to bitch, whine, fight, punch and bicker with eachother. And I've gotta say, from an outsider's p.o.v, it's just really lame!
It's no wonder Scotland's football repuation is so low, if the game itself takes backseat to the non-snesical, irrelevant little disputes between the clubs playing. And from what I've heard, those people who don't support Rangers or Celtic in Scotland are just as fed up with them as everyone else. They're bringing down the whole Scottish league imo.

There's even a section on wikipedia about this over-wraught rivalry:

"The competition between the two clubs has its roots in more than just a simple athletic rivalry. It is infused with a series of complex disputes centred on religion (Catholic and Protestant) and Northern Ireland politics. The result has been an enduring enmity between fans that has extended beyond the kind of intra-city footballing rivalry that might be expected in situations where two clubs dominate a country's footballing scene. This has been manifested in a history laden with sectarian violence, sometimes leading to deaths.
Increasingly in recent years, both clubs have frequently participated in initiatives and campaigns along with religious organisations and the Scottish Executive directed at removing the sectarian undercurrent, including supporting pressure group Nil by Mouth. However, disagreements about what constitutes sectarian behaviour have undermined progress in these matters, and consensus over what types of songs and flags are acceptable remains difficult to achieve."

Arguing over what types of songs and flags are acceptable...

"Both Celtic and Rangers have expressed a desire to leave the Scottish league system and become part of the English Premiership. Both clubs currently receive less in television revenue than many English clubs with smaller fan bases. A move to the Premiership would give both Old Firm clubs a significant financial boost...."
"...Reports have suggested that Premiership clubs voted 20 - 0 in 2004 to reject the Old Firm's admission to the Premiership"

It is no surprise to find that no-one wants these war-mongering clubs in the English Premier league, I mean, who wants to travel all the way to Scotland to play against a team who's supporters are more interested in slagging off and fighting the opposition's supporters then watching the actual match. We don't need this whole Rangers/Celtic crap bringing down the standards of the Premiership!

In threads about Arsenal's new sadium ,or Liverpool's, or Man United's extension etc there are plenty of people from different areas of the country, who support the rivals of the team in question, who manage to give compliments about how the new stadium will look, and it is generally broad-minded and rational, but as soon as you see a thread about Ranger's or Celtic's stadium, you just know that within 5 posts there will be at least one person posting hate-filled comments and pictures to discredit the stadium and the team. And this thread is no different. In fact, the only thing that has surprised me so far in this thread is the absence of BuBomb adding his crap to the pile.

Lets try and focus on the actual stadium itself, which, although not particularly impressive, still has a large capacity, good history and a decent atmosphere. Is there plans for an extension or updating of the stadium, or has that already been done recently?

You've obviously not been to a Hearts v Hibs game!! Now that's a real man's derby!!

[Jack Rabbit Slim]

ah Bubomb, there you are, now the package is compete

[Jack Rabbit Slim]

It looks a lot better from the inside then it does the outside:




Not the greatest looking desgin for a stadium, but the inside makes up for it.

[CharlieP]

When are they going to finish it off?

[Socrates]

Originally Posted by CraigyBhoy1888

i liked this one :

That is an appalling thing to post. You should be ashamed of yourself.