[Czech Republic] Railways

[kokpit]

Originally Posted by Bobek_Azbest

There will be metro in about 10 years
Well I'll bet my shoes that there won't be metro connection to the airport in 10 years. It could be to Motol, if all goes well.

Personally I hope that the metro connection will be abandoned, line A from Motol rerouted to Řepy and Zličín. It also makes perfect sense from the city's viewpoint: while the metro would be investment of mainly it's own money, rail link would be financed by SZDC.

Why is Prague-Airport-Kladno track designed only for 80kph??? Some reason??
No need for higher speeds, since the trains will stop every 2-3kms anyway. And the part to Kladno is planned for 100-120kph.

Absolutely agree. Metro to the airport is one big nonsense and will be abandoned as soon as Mr Bém will be kick out from Prague municipality.

Jinak vidím že Masaryčka už je tam nějak zkrácená a jedna kolej tam dokonce zajíždí na Hlavák. Interesting.
Rychlodráha na Kladno s odbočkou na letiště je jediné možné a ekonomické řešení. Kdysi (cca rok 2001) jsem četl časopis Doprava, celé jedno číslo bylo věnováno porovnání metro x rychlodráha na letiště, bylo tam několik studií od renomovaných dopravních inženýrů - vesměs akademiků typu Moos, ale už si nepamatuju kdo přesně - a úplně všechny se jednoznačně přiklonily k rychlodráze (resp. železnici). Pamatuju si, že odhady nákladů na metro vycházely dvojnásobné oproti železnici, tuším že 40Mld x 20Mld Kč v tehdejších cenách.

[kokpit]

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[:jax:]

Low-speed rail gives nothing to Prague citizens, and metro connection slight convenience. Relative to the existing system the beneficiaries would be outside the city.

[Herzarsen]

I think the way both metro and train are designed right now it will benefit not only citizens of North Western Prague but also central Bohemia in the reagion around Kladno. One system cannot satisfy transportation needs of both. That is why both are planned to be built and both will be built. I hope.

Prague has always been public transportation leader and it should stay that way, there is no need for arguments such as metro and train from the airport have not been done anywhere else. So what, be first at something. I dont buy that both systems are too expensive. Its worth it.

[kokpit]

^ you don't care about money because you are not czech taxpayer
BTW metro a rail to the airport is in London Heathrow so Prague would be second (if it would be opened today), but we can't compare airports like Ruzyně and Heathrow, one serves about seven times more passangers...

[historyworks]

Originally Posted by kokpit

^ you don't care about money because you are not czech taxpayer
BTW metro a rail to the airport is in London Heathrow so Prague would be second (if it would be opened today), but we can't compare airports like Ruzyně and Heathrow, one serves about seven times more passangers...

LOL you can give your surplus public transport infrastructure to us poor third world countries like US and Australia that don't have enough of it!

Stop complaining and just pay your taxes! We pay the same taxes (actually higher in Australia) and we get far less for it

[kokpit]

Originally Posted by historyworks

We pay the same taxes (actually higher in Australia) and we get far less for it

I highly doubt...

Does someone know who's architect? I think it must be Kotas again, he repeats same things... see Barrandov tram track

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[headshottt]

I don't know, but I like it!!!

[ov_79]

The Olympic stadium in Munich was finished in 1971, I have no idea why to copy something what was modern 37 years ago .

[kokpit]

^ lol, so you think shell or tent is passee? I disagree, it's timeless construction.

[ov_79]

I would prefer something a bit more more unique, at least.

[:jax:]

Originally Posted by kokpit

BTW metro a rail to the airport is in London Heathrow so Prague would be second (if it would be opened today), but we can't compare airports like Ruzyně and Heathrow, one serves about seven times more passangers...

And Heathrow is much further away from the city than Ruzyně. Ruzyně is unusually close to the city, actually within the city limits, and it makes more sense to have a metro there than to Heathrow. It took me about one and a half hour to take the underground to Heathrow, while it would take me about half an hour to Ruzyně. The metro extension would be competitive for people already on the system, while the Heathrow connection is too slow, and few of the people on the train actually went to Heathrow. My guess is that only a minority of the metro travellers would go all the way to Ruzyně either, with the projected shopping malls/business centres/park and ride around Dědina would be a major target (though the train will stop there as well).

First-time tourists to Prague would probably prefer dedicated trains, business travellers would in most cases prefer it as well to keep away from the raffle, while repeat travellers might prefer metro, depending on where they are going.

My ideal connection through Ruzyně would be real high-speed rail between the new Prague Central Station - Ruzyně - Pilsen and possibly northwards towards Dresden as well (I have no traffic analysis if it would be cost-efficient). This would make Ruzyně a more convenient airport for West Bohemia and possibly North Bohemia as well. The slow train to Kladno isn't really helping either region that much.

Thanks to EU we will get higher-speed trains to Pilsen (and in a while Nuremberg), but then the train travellers will have to go back westwards on a slow train to get to the airport.

[HiRazor]

Originally Posted by :jax:

Low-speed rail gives nothing to Prague citizens

Many people, including you, absolutely miss the point that metro is in fact a railway too. The Praha - Ruzyně - Kladno express railway, as planned, is in fact very close to metro in its nature and there is absolutely no reason why it could not serve people along it, including P6 and P7 inhabitants, in the way a metro line would (imho the railway will provide one of the best means how to get from P6 to P7 etc.). And all this for a fraction of costs of a new metro line built in the Prague way (completely underground, large, opulent stations).

It's really sad that the reasons behind the metro-to-airport project are in fact bigotry and incompetence of Prague citizens and their elected representatives who, in spite of all the studies suggesting that the same (actually more) benefits a metro line would bring can be achieved for much less by upgrading the existing railway, even if the upgrade in reality means to basically bring it up to metro standards, still believe in their simplistic prejudiced mantra metro = good, railway = bad. A way of thinking that can be unfortunately observed also in the message I'm responding to.

[:jax:]

Originally Posted by HiRazor

It's really sad that the reasons behind the metro-to-airport project are in fact bigotry and incompetence of Prague citizens and their elected representatives who, in spite of all the studies suggesting that the same (actually more) benefits a metro line would bring can be achieved for much less by upgrading the existing railway, even if the upgrade in reality means to basically bring it up to metro standards, still believe in their simplistic prejudiced mantra metro = good, railway = bad. A way of thinking that can be unfortunately observed also in the message I'm responding to.

What we have today is metro+bus. The 119 bus takes 22 minutes and takes you to the A metro. The Airport Express bus takes a couple minutes less and takes you to the A and then C metro. How long the metro journey will be depends of course on where you're going and if you have to switch lines, but to the centre will be about 8 minutes plus 2 minutes transfer and average of 3 minutes wait.

Train and metro obviously add comfort relative to the bus, but neither shorten the journey markedly. The reason why I gave a slight advantage to metro+metro (or simply metro if your target is on the A metro) is that as far as I can gather the transfer time will be longer, the train stations will be physically further away. The current bus stations do well in this regard. Assuming no inconvenient luggage 2 minutes is ample time on both ends.

As the metro extension is meandering through half of Prague 6 you would have thought that train should be considerably faster, but with a travel time of 25 minutes ending up in Masaryk station (for now) it isn't. Part of that reason is that it too behaves like a metro with multiple stops and "large opulent stations", is costly as well, and has an average speed of not too impressive 80 km/h.

If I had been travel Czar I would have extended the metro some of the way, maybe Petřiny, and have at most one stop (with a large opulent station) with easy transfer between Masaryk and the airport, say Veleslavín. Continuing the local train to Kladno is nice, and maybe needed, for Kladno, but wouldn't help the rest of the region. Having it continue high speed with one more stop before Pilsen would be nicer, but of course dramatically more expensive.

[Fricy]

Originally Posted by kokpit

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What's this building?

[ov_79]

Elektrifikace trati Zábřeh na Moravě - Šumperk

MF DNES: Zábřeh, Šumperk - Elektrifikace a celkové modernizace by se měla dočkat v příštích několika málo letech železniční trať 291 Zábřeh na Moravě - Šumperk. Práce na úseku ze Šumperka do Bludova začnou již na jaře. "V příštím roce se bude opravovat a elektrifikovat část trati ze Šumperka do Bludova. Na těchto nádražích pak vzniknou dvě nová částečně krytá nástupiště," citovala středomoravská mutace deníku MF DNES Ivana Bargela z oddělení přípravy a realizace staveb Správy železniční dopravní cesty. V dalším roce přijde na řadu úsek mezi Zábřehem a Bludovem.

Některé modernizační projekty bývají často terčem kritiky za nadužívání protihlukových stěn. Jak se zdá, šetřit se s nimi nebude ani na této spojnici okresního města s koridorem. "Protihlukové stěny,které by měly koleje lemovat od přejezdu u Lidlu až k hotelu, budou vypadat jako dřevěné. Z venkovní strany je doplníme zelení, hlavně keři a popínavými rostlinami," chlácholil veřejnost mluvčí zábřežské radnice Milan Kratochvíl.

Během rekonstrukce bude také dosazeno dálkové řízení trati, které bude nově probíhat pouze ze Šumperka. V plánu jsou také úpravy přejezdu, kterých je na třináctikilometrové trati hned patnáct. Během celé rekonstrukce trati budou cestující přepravováni autobusy a měli by počítat se zpožděním. Kompletní rekonstrukce trati přijde na více než miliardu korun.

[Norkey]

Originally Posted by kokpit

[kokpit]

Prague main railway station under complete reconstruction
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[kokpit]

Originally Posted by Fricy

What's this building?

I'm bit late with the answer, but it's proposed station in Holešovice district on Prague airport - Prague centre railway track.

[Fricy]

Originally Posted by kokpit

I'm bit late with the answer, but it's proposed station in Holešovice district on Prague airport - Prague centre railway track.

Thank you.