The University of California Thread - Page 4

edsg25 · January 28th, 2006, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masher

What forum/thread was that?...I think I saw it too...
Anyway, I don't think privatizing Cal or UCLA would be of much "monetary" help to the smaller campuses like Merced; However, It would make more prospective student look at those smaller schools before thinking about applying to Berkeley or L.A...which is good...sorta...

No public universities are becoming so private as state flagships and often, the more prestigous the flagship, the more "private".

With their research components and the high cost of their quality education, the percentage of state money ends up being less at these schools is lower than the more middle-ground state universities.

Schools like UVA operate, in many ways, like independents. Another prestigous institution, U-M, has always had a great deal of independence from the Michigan Legislature.

Personally, I've always disliked the concept of a "university system" since its member institutions are really separte universities. I know I'm WAY in the minority on this one, but I would have loved to have seen Cal remain the only "The University of California"....with no "Berkeley" attached.

612bv3 · January 28th, 2006, 06:27 AM

I completely forgot about one last UC!!! University of California, Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco! It's the highrise in the center and the two building to the left, maybe even more.

Hastings College of the Law

mongozx · January 28th, 2006, 01:48 PM

i remember the reason why UC built a school in Merced was because of the huge shift in population from the coasts to inland. The Central Valley and LA's inland empire are some of the fastest growing regions in the country.

dewback · January 29th, 2006, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mongozx

i remember the reason why UC built a school in Merced was because of the huge shift in population from the coasts to inland. The Central Valley and LA's inland empire are some of the fastest growing regions in the country.

That's certainly not an excuse to build a University of California campus. As far as I know, the CSU can fulfill the role of providing universities for the new demographic boom. The University of California shouldn't waterdown itself to meet those new necesities.

hngcm · January 29th, 2006, 06:41 PM

^ word

i'd rather the UC spent more money on bringing Riverside/Santa Cruz up to par with the other UC's.

612bv3 · January 29th, 2006, 09:01 PM

DAVIS

612bv3 · January 29th, 2006, 09:13 PM

DAVIS AGAIN

612bv3 · January 29th, 2006, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masher

What forum/thread was that?...I think I saw it too...
Anyway, I don't think privatizing Cal or UCLA would be of much "monetary" help to the smaller campuses like Merced; However, It would make more prospective student look at those smaller schools before thinking about applying to Berkeley or L.A...which is good...sorta...

This Forum/Message Board http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/index.php

tritown · January 30th, 2006, 07:11 AM

Davis is pretty. The amount of bicycles is overwhelming, though.

Facial · January 30th, 2006, 07:47 AM

Wow - I thought Davis was a skateboarding college, but looks like its a city of bikes.

612bv3 · January 30th, 2006, 08:10 AM

LOS ANGELES

612bv3 · January 30th, 2006, 08:23 AM

LOS ANGELES AGAIN

Jeroen · January 30th, 2006, 11:34 AM

Fantastic pictures, keep 'em coming.

fenix · January 30th, 2006, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tritown

Davis is pretty. The amount of bicycles is overwhelming, though.

I second that. From experience, there is no way you can get around that campus without one. That goes for other town universities as well..

edsg25 · January 30th, 2006, 09:09 PM

First I want to say thanks for a great group of pictures of all those super UC campuses. What a great thread.

Next I'd like to ask a question about the UC system?

Is it fundamentally different from such systems in other states? I would think it is. No university system has a system wide reputation that compares to UC.

There are other differences. I'd be curious to know if you agree.

1. Universities in the system seem to have more equality in relationship with each other and are less dependent on the flagship for their own reputations.

2. The flagship serves less as a flagship. In this sense, there is a big difference between UC Berkeley which operates more like being part of peer institutions than set apart by itself from the system.

In that sense, Cal is unlike any of the following, all the dominant campus of a university system:

Illinois (Urbana), Texas (Austin), Wisconsin (Madison), Michigan (Ann Arbor), Indiana (Bloomington), North Carolina (Chapel Hill), Alabama (Tuscalousa), Colorado (Boulder), Missouri (Columbia), Minnesota (Twin Cities), Tennessee (Knoxville), Maryland (College Park), Arkansas (Fayetteville), Penn St (State College).....and now even Washington (Seattle).

In each of these systems, one school totally dominates the group; not the situation for Cal.

3. the system almost seems to operate with two flagships (Cal, UCLA), not one. That's highly unusual and the only comparable situation I can think of would be UNLV and UNR.

dewback · January 31st, 2006, 05:38 AM

Perhaps that has do to do with the autonomous nature of each school. I am not sure if the schools in the other systems are as "independent" as the UC schools.

mongozx · January 31st, 2006, 08:42 AM

i like this picture of the Geisel Library in UCSD

hngcm · January 31st, 2006, 09:49 AM

^ i just uploaded a pic like that that i took tonight.......but nevermind

pretty ain't it?

bay_area · January 31st, 2006, 10:07 AM

All this talk of Cal and UCLA being the "flagship" schools of the UC system remind me of department stores. If there were a "flagship"-it would be Cal-period. UCLA is a tremendous institution, but Berkeley is the first and most prestigious of all UCs and its contribution stretches from the sciences to politics. Its also the one located near the University of California Headquarters in Downtown Oakland. I attended both-IMO, there is no comparison which one is more prominent.

That said,
CSU is the real workhorse. Its the largest University system in the US and grants more bachelor degrees every year then any other system.

edsg25 · January 31st, 2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bay_area

All this talk of Cal and UCLA being the "flagship" schools of the UC system remind me of department stores. If there were a "flagship"-it would be Cal-period. UCLA is a tremendous institution, but Berkeley is the first and most prestigious of all UCs and its contribution stretches from the sciences to politics. Its also the one located near the University of California Headquarters in Downtown Oakland. I attended both-IMO, there is no comparison which one is more prominent.

I don't disagree with you, bay area. Cal is in a class by itself. Academically it exceeds all state schools in Calif. and its only Calif. rival is old Bay Area nemises, down on THe Farm. I think what happened in the system is that UCLA just got so big, so good, and so nationally prominent that its status within the system was appropriately elevated. California's huge population and linear shape created a need for major state universities in NorCal & SoCal.....and in placing them in the premiere metros of the Bay Area and LA.

However, I still would be interested in how you see my original question: with no regards to academics and quality of education and institution (which is unquestionable for Cal any way), would you agree with me that the UC system is structured differently from the other state universities I mentioned, that there is a more "partnership" relationship in UC and more of a flagship/branches in the other systems?

As I said, this doesn't relate to Cal as an institution, but on the structure of UC. Opinion?

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edsg25 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 9,399 Likes (Received): 0	First I want to say thanks for a great group of pictures of all those super UC campuses. What a great thread. Next I'd like to ask a question about the UC system? Is it fundamentally different from such systems in other states? I would think it is. No university system has a system wide reputation that compares to UC. There are other differences. I'd be curious to know if you agree. 1. Universities in the system seem to have more equality in relationship with each other and are less dependent on the flagship for their own reputations. 2. The flagship serves less as a flagship. In this sense, there is a big difference between UC Berkeley which operates more like being part of peer institutions than set apart by itself from the system. In that sense, Cal is unlike any of the following, all the dominant campus of a university system: Illinois (Urbana), Texas (Austin), Wisconsin (Madison), Michigan (Ann Arbor), Indiana (Bloomington), North Carolina (Chapel Hill), Alabama (Tuscalousa), Colorado (Boulder), Missouri (Columbia), Minnesota (Twin Cities), Tennessee (Knoxville), Maryland (College Park), Arkansas (Fayetteville), Penn St (State College).....and now even Washington (Seattle). In each of these systems, one school totally dominates the group; not the situation for Cal. 3. the system almost seems to operate with two flagships (Cal, UCLA), not one. That's highly unusual and the only comparable situation I can think of would be UNLV and UNR.

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dewback Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oakland Posts: 591 Likes (Received): 0	Perhaps that has do to do with the autonomous nature of each school. I am not sure if the schools in the other systems are as "independent" as the UC schools. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." -George Carlin

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mongozx Pipe Layer Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 785 Likes (Received): 7	i like this picture of the Geisel Library in UCSD

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bay_area Live and Let Live Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: here and there Posts: 1,654 Likes (Received): 0	All this talk of Cal and UCLA being the "flagship" schools of the UC system remind me of department stores. If there were a "flagship"-it would be Cal-period. UCLA is a tremendous institution, but Berkeley is the first and most prestigious of all UCs and its contribution stretches from the sciences to politics. Its also the one located near the University of California Headquarters in Downtown Oakland. I attended both-IMO, there is no comparison which one is more prominent. That said, CSU is the real workhorse. Its the largest University system in the US and grants more bachelor degrees every year then any other system. __________________ This Space For Lease.

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