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Old January 14th, 2014, 02:03 PM   #2021
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Has anyone here been through Halle (Saale) recently? I'm just wondering on the progress of the reconstruction of the marshalling yard.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 05:06 PM   #2022
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Has anyone here been through Halle (Saale) recently? I'm just wondering on the progress of the reconstruction of the marshalling yard.
Actual construction has not started yet.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 06:53 PM   #2023
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Thanks.

I thought it was meant to be underway already but I now I can understand why I can't find any photos about it on the internet.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #2024
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Concerning Frankfurt - München via Würzburg or Stuttgart:

The fastest connection today from Frankfurt to München is via Würzburg and Nürnberg.

In 2021 the fastest connection will be via Stuttgart and Ulm.

Although even today the fastest connection from Köln/Düsseldorf to München is via Stuttgart. Because the trains Köln - München via Frankfurt Airport and Stuttgart don't stop in Frankfurt central, so they safe massive time.

Nevertheless: BOTH lines are extremely important and even though the route via Stuttgart will be fast in 2021, Frankfurt - Würzburg - Nürnberg - München will always be really important!
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Old January 14th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #2025
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Today I'm going to tell you something about the ABS/NBS Karlsruhe - Basel.

The line is projected to be with four tracks all the way from Karlsruhe to Basel (Switzerland). It's important for passenger traffic, but even more important for freight (Genua - Switzerland - Rotterdam)! So there will be four tracks for freight and passenger rail, passenger rail will mostly be around 250 km/h.

This project is going on for more than 20 years already and won't be finished in another 20 years! There are some parts already opened and some under construction and some are still projected with no fixed idea of how and where to build the railway line.

There you see the official information:
Please mind that there are some errors on that map. The part south of Offenburg is markes as red (in use), but it's not even built yet!

The tunnel of Rastatt is currently under construction

red: in use
grey: old line
yellow: tunnel
blue: projected




Today the ICE Karlsruhe - Basel usually arrive around 5 minutes early in Basel because they are too fast. They can't depart earlier in Basel because they have to wait for the connecting trains - so they always arrive early and wait very long to depart again from Basel on to Zürich or Bern!

Those are the following ICE lines on that line:

every two hours: ICE Zürich - Hamburg (via Frankfurt)
every two hours: ICE Interlaken - Berlin (via Frankfurt)
every two hours: ICE Basel - Cologne (only Frankfurt Airport), one train to Amsterdam

2 EC trains per day Zürich - Köln - Hamburg (going a slow route)
plus many night trains!

In 20 years or so the travel time from Karlsruhe to Basel should be around 1:30 h, it's around 2 h today!
But remember: The line is mainly for freight reasons.

More information http://www.karlsruhe-basel.de/


Second reason why this line is important:

The section Karlsruhe - Offenburg (Appenweiher) handels the traffic from south of Germany to Strasbourg and Paris.
With the opening of the LGV est 2 phase in 2016, the fastest connection from Berlin/Frankfurt/München/Stuttgart/Hamburg to Paris will always be via Strasbourg (I know, it's absurd to go from Hamburg all the way down to Strasbourg - but it's the fastest way!). So therefor the traffic Karlsruhe - Strasbourg - Paris is very likely to increase in 2016!
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Old January 14th, 2014, 11:24 PM   #2026
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Please mind that there are some errors on that map. The part south of Offenburg is markes as red (in use), but it's not even built yet!
That is actually not a mistake. The red colour of the line just means that this section will be upgraded to a maximum speed of 250 km/h.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 12:11 AM   #2027
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The first generation of 42 ICE-T (320 km/h ICE tilting trains) are currently undergoing a modernization. Even though they already have the modern ICE design some small things are getting changed around so those ICE-T trains look nice and clean again.

The first "new" ICE-T will enter service soon! Until now, the first two refurbished sets are not out in the public yet!

Check out the photos: http://verkehrsfotografie.photoshelt...0007Jn7yK0VoHU

(the model of the seat seems to be the same)

Some things that are getting improved:

- Those train get ETCS
- WiFi will be equipped
- modernization of the air conditioning
- freshly refurbished restaurant
- new lights
- bigger signs and lights for people with bad eyes
- fresh paint from the outside
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Old January 16th, 2014, 12:31 AM   #2028
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Another project I'd like to inform you about:

Hamburg - Hannover: 3rd rail between Lüneburg and Stelle

One of the busiest German railway lines is going from Hamburg to Hannover. There are three hourly long distance trains using that line:

ICE Hamburg - Frankfurt - Mannheim - Basel/Stuttgart
ICE Hamburg - München
IC Hamburg - Hannover - (going further south to different cities)


Apart from long distance traffic, this line has to handle a LOT of freight traffic. There are many, many freight trains using that line! This line is basically for 200 km/h all the way between Hamburg and Hannover (it's just an upgraded line, nothing new!), although there are some slower parts (Celle, Lüneburg where trains need to slow down).

Between 2012 and 2014 there is a 3rd rail going to be built, so that regional, long distance and freight traffic is easier to handle.

It's between Lüneburg and Stelle. In Stelle it's possible to use a different line, so there are enough tracks between Stelle and Hamburg




If you don't know where excactly Hamburg, Hannover or Lüneburg is, check out this map:




In the looooong future, there is the talk of building a new line between Hannover and Hamburg/Bremen, but it's just projected and it's very unsure if it will be built at all. There is no fixed solution of what to built!
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Old January 16th, 2014, 01:27 AM   #2029
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The first generation of 42 ICE-T (320 km/h ICE tilting trains) are currently undergoing a modernization. Even though they already have the modern ICE design some small things are getting changed around so those ICE-T trains look nice and clean again.
Vmax is 230 km/h on the ICE-T.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 08:32 AM   #2030
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Haha! Yes, it is 230! Sorry for that mistake :-P
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Old January 16th, 2014, 09:09 AM   #2031
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Haha! Yes, it is 230! Sorry for that mistake :-P
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Old January 16th, 2014, 04:48 PM   #2032
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http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...-unveiled.html

Vareo diesel multiple-unit unveiled
16 Jan 2014









GERMANY: The first of 56 Alstom Coradia Lint diesel multiple-units for Dieselnetz Köln services was unveiled at Köln Hauptbahnhof on January 15.

The 140 km/h DMUs units have real-time information screens, at-seat power sockets, CCTV, an accessible toilet and multi-purpose spaces for bicycles and prams. The 390 kW MTU powerpacks have AdBlue SCR catalysers for exhaust cleaning and NOx reduction, and it is possible to shut down one powerpack to save fuel.

The 38 three-car Class 620 Lint 81 and 18 two-car Class 622 Lint 54 DMUs are to enter traffic during the coming months on regional services which DB Regio NRW began operating on December 15 2013 under a 20-year contract awarded by four transport authorities.

Alstom was awarded the €325m rolling stock contract in June 2011, but the DMUs were not able to enter traffic with the timetable change because of delays in the vehicle approval process.

The services are branded Vareo, derived from Voreifel, Ahrtal, Rhein, Eifel, Oberbergische Land and Oberes Volmetal. The Köln - Gerolstein - Trier service branded Vareo Eifel will be allocated 30 units, the Vareo Oberbergisches Land service between Köln and Meinerzhagen will get 13 and the Vareo Voreifel and Vareo Ahrtal services from Bonn to Bad Münstereifel and Ahrbrück will use 13 units.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 09:02 AM   #2033
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Old January 17th, 2014, 12:41 PM   #2034
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Is there any electrification project going on or planned with chances of being done?
To my knowledge, the most important electrification scheme is for the so-called Sachsen-Franken-Magistrale (nuremberg-dresden via Bayreuth, Zwickau etc). With the HSR Berlin-Munich located much further west, the actually most direct line from Leipzig via Plauen, Hof, Regensburg has fallen off the grid of long-distance trains. As DB and the central government see no priority in connecting these mid-size towns in an effective manner, the states of Saxony and Bavaria have been pitching in, providing finances for the electrification of the route and negotiating services with DB. At present the line has been electrified southwards as far as Hof, but the section through Franconia for the larger part still awaits electrification.
Another important project is the transformation of the diesel line from Munich to the Swiss border just east of the Bodensee. This would be a prerequisite for starting RailJet services between Zurich and Munich. Once again, the German budget does not allow for this, so there was to my recollection going to be Swiss money allocated to the electrification of the line.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #2035
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Basel-Schaffhausen line (via Germany) really ought to be electrified. It's not even that many kilometres.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #2036
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Although even today the fastest connection from Köln/Düsseldorf to München is via Stuttgart. Because the trains Köln - München via Frankfurt Airport and Stuttgart don't stop in Frankfurt central, so they safe massive time.
It was a main issue of the critics against Stuttgart 21, that one could upgrade the existing route via Würzburg and skip Frankfurt Hbf. via Airport. This would have meant to cut Stuttgart away from national and international axis in the long run, totally ignorance of the needs for fast connections in this area...

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Old January 17th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #2037
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Great idea! Having all ICE routes avoiding BOTH Stuttgart and Frankfurt city centers: why not building a straight tunnel from Troisdorf to Pasing?

NIMBYs...
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Old January 17th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #2038
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Thanks for all the updates, JumpUp!

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Today I'm going to tell you something about the ABS/NBS Karlsruhe - Basel. [...]

There you see the official information:
Please mind that there are some errors on that map. The part south of Offenburg is markes as red (in use), but it's not even built yet!
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That is actually not a mistake. The red colour of the line just means that this section will be upgraded to a maximum speed of 250 km/h.
Yeah, if you check the legend carefully, you see that the colours of the line and the colours of the Planfeststellungsabschnitte (= project approval section) mean something different.

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I'm not sure if I posted this before:

Since 21st Dec. 2013, the fist four of the 16 new ICE 3 (Velaro) trains entered service in Germany.
They have a top speed of 320 km/h and will be used (after they are approved) for international services:

Frankfurt - Paris
Frankfurt - Marseille
Frankfurt - Brussels - London
Amsterdam - Brussels - London



The user JeDi took some photos, have a look!

http://www.ice-treff.de/index.php?id=264526
I thought that they are now used as backup for national service?! They also don't have a permission for France or other countries yet.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #2039
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Basel-Schaffhausen line (via Germany) really ought to be electrified. It's not even that many kilometres.
Schaffhausen-Erzingen (managed by DB) is electrified since December 2013, while the electrification of the remaining (much longer) part is planned.

I wish they accepted the GA on that line...
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Old January 18th, 2014, 12:21 AM   #2040
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Schaffhausen-Erzingen (managed by DB) is electrified since December 2013, while the electrification of the remaining (much longer) part is planned.
Yes, but it doesn't seem like it's moving beyond plans any time soon.

It's a nice line, fastest way to Schaffhausen and Rhine falls from Basel. It would be even nicer if it was electrified and with more frequent service, though.
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