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Old May 21st, 2014, 03:17 PM   #2161
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Yes, indeed. The most visible improvement will be a new hall:


Construction shall start 2017.

Source: http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/duis...id7208707.html
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Old May 21st, 2014, 04:44 PM   #2162
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And any news on Lindau 21?
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Old May 21st, 2014, 07:01 PM   #2163
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I read Munich is the NIMBY capital of Germany. If it's true, it could explain why the Munich Hbf didn't get a makeover until recently.
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Old May 21st, 2014, 08:42 PM   #2164
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From Rail Journal:

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http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...ml?channel=542

DB to maintain Veolia Germany DMU fleet
Wednesday, May 21, 2014



VEOLIA Transport Germany has awarded German Rail (DB) subsidiary DB Vehicle Maintenance a six-year contract to carry out heavy maintenance on 78 DMUs, which are used on regional services across Germany.

The contract covers inspection and maintenance of safety-critical components including wheelsets, bogies, and braking systems, and the work will be carried out at DB's Kassel depot.

DB says the value of the contract is "in the double-digit millions of Euros" and covers Alstom Lint and Bombardier Talent trains operated by Nord West Bahn, Bayerische Regiobahn, and Nord Ostsee Bahn.

Day-to-day servicing will continue to be carried out at the trains' home depots
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Old June 4th, 2014, 01:15 PM   #2165
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Frankfurt - Mannheim HSR

There are news on the Frankfurt - Mannheim HSR. It contains important information on the future of German HSR.

The long awaited study on this regard commissioned by DB has been completed.

The result pretty much confirms what was already suggested by the railway union (DGB) and Southern Hesse officials.

The study confirms that a full-HSR would not pay off. The conclusion it makes is to build the new track (along the autobahns) for freight rail only (which would pay off indeed) and shift the HS-trains to the freed-up capacity on the old tracks, as already suggested.

The article explains that the old tcorridor Frankfurt-Darmstadt-Mannheim (after an overhaul) could handle HS-trains with an average speed of ca. 200 km/h. ICE trains in all directions would pass this corridor via Darmstadt main station (Cologne, Munich, Berlin, Basel). Apparently 1/3 to 1/2 of these trains would stop in Darmstadt.

Very important to mention that this study is going to set an example for all future DB HSR-projects and its general strategy.
In future all new tracks which are to be built alongside the autobahns (which is very good) are meant for freight rail mainly. HSR and regional rail will be put on the old tracks with freed up capacity, and there will be still enough room for more passenger rail connections.

This also means goodbye to all the 300 km/h ICE-projects.

On the 30th of June a decision on this will be made.

http://www.echo-online.de/region/dar...rt1231,5109549
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Old June 4th, 2014, 03:04 PM   #2166
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Is there still an option of by-passing Mannheim train station for some specific ICE?
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Old June 4th, 2014, 03:19 PM   #2167
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Horrible and pitiful decision by the Germans!

At least some key projects were already pushed through, like high-speed rail Erfurt-Nurnberg.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 03:24 PM   #2168
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Shame the original station was so heavily damaged in the war. Existing and proposed are just ugly.

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Old June 4th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #2169
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Old June 4th, 2014, 04:18 PM   #2170
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Germany is too big to just rely on 200 km/h services.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 05:11 PM   #2171
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This might be the trend of the future:
Shifting the focus from the current prioritization of investing in fast passenger/combined rail alignments in favor of freight-only corridors.

The interests of freight train operators outweigh those of the soon heavily weakened long distance passenger operators. Passenger rail operators will be heavily hit by cheap bus company on long and medium distances (except to a certain degree where efficient high speed corridors are already available).

Another addition to this are in my opinion the effects of a strong decentralized decision making policy in Germany, where the Länder (Regions) and cities frequently have more influence in infrastructure planning than the central state. Which especially when concerning high-speed rail leads to "my city needs to have an ICE halt on the HSL as well, all trains must pass through my city center".

While this attention to regional interests is not bad at all (in fact it is maybe the explanation why Germany has a rather well organized fine-grained railway connecting towns of every size, forming an on all levels functioning network), it unfortunately prevents any efficient planning of long distance high speed lines on a national level. To the point that in many cases it becomes impossible to agree on a common alignment, costs rise astronomically and usefulness becomes questionable because of too many "I want an ICE halt" town detours and speed breaking slow-downs.

I think this might be the root cause of the never-ending story of the Frankfurt - Mannheim corridor... at the end it is easier to build a freight line (I guess costs are not significantly lower of those of a high speed line especially as this region has a high density of population having more rights than citizens in China)

Which at the end would reflect the mechanics of railway business in the US. The powerful expand (freight trains and long distance bus/planes), the weak starve (Amtrak).

I don't like this, but that's my pessimistic view ("humanistically" speaking) on how things will develop in Germany and maybe all over Europe on the long run...
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Old June 4th, 2014, 05:28 PM   #2172
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Horrible and pitiful decision by the Germans! At least some key projects were already pushed through, like high-speed rail Erfurt-Nurnberg.
Predictable reaction...

I must again disagree. What matters is not how fast the trains are. It's how fast the passengers can get from door A to door B. Improving existing passenger services is often a good option.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #2173
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I don't like this, but that's my pessimistic view ("humanistically" speaking) on how things will develop in Germany and maybe all over Europe on the long run...
Maybe it's the beginning of a realization that Germany isn't France.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 05:56 PM   #2174
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Is there a high demand for freight rail? Passenger rail is too popular to be dismantled in favor of buses and freight rail.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 06:01 PM   #2175
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What matters is not how fast the trains are. It's how fast the passengers can get from door A to door B.
The latter depends heavily on the former, however.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #2176
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Is there a high demand for freight rail? Passenger rail is too popular to be dismantled in favor of buses and freight rail.
There is indeed a high demand for freight trains in this corridor. The same applies for passenger travel though. So, any new railway there have to serve both. Probably high speed passenger trains by day and freight trains by night.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #2177
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I must again disagree. What matters is not how fast the trains are. It's how fast the passengers can get from door A to door B.
In certain corridors Germany has the distances where 320 km/h over 200 km/h really helps getting passengers from door A to door B faster.

Improving existing passenger services is indeed often a good option, but it's not either one or the other. In Germany, both can be necessary for certain corridors.

Doing just 200 km/h will only lead to more and more stops being added along the routes, because "it will only add a few minutes to the total trip!". And before you know it, you have a vmax 200 km/h ICE line with stops every few minutes and an average speed of about 80 km/h.
200 km/h vmax might be enough for IC trains, but for certain distances you still need 320 km/h ICE's to blast past more towns and do the long distances in a respectable time. Otherwise Germany will always remain an unnecessarily large country, while it really doesn't need to be when viewed from a 320 km/h ICE perspective.
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For the sake of economic efficiency, Germany needs to go through a process where middle-size towns lose a lot of population and some economic activity for bigger agglomerations. But that is something no politician can openly speak about.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #2179
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Do you guys think DB is going to shut down HSR services?
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Do you guys think DB is going to shut down HSR services?
No. With new dedicated high speed lines pending to be open DB is rather expanding such services than shutting them.
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