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Old July 24th, 2014, 03:11 PM   #2281
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DB's flexibility apparently has its limits when Thalys is involved. When last I was going to book Brussels-Cologne-Berlin with a mix of Thalys and ICE trains and a tight connection in cologne would have been involved, the very experienced train agency told me not to risk it, as DB would not let me ride another train under the SparTicket conditions if I had bought a separate Thalys and DB ticket, something they usually do if you arrive with separate tickets by companies they still cooperate with.
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There are at the moment no foreign operators operating passenger trains in Belgium.
The Brussel - Frankfurt ICE is operated by NMBS till Aachen. It's not an open access operation. When DB tried to run the Jan Kiepura in open access to Brussel they did encounter all kinds of resistance, mostly from the unions. A bit like the way the unions tried to sabotage private freight operators in the beginning.

(...) Germany actually has other access operators, and I don't hear complaints from them. HKX did get a fast path on Essen - Köln...
Resistance against such arrangements is apparently why the DB night train Paris-Berlin now takes a huge detour to avoid Belgium, losing passengers connecting to London. A similar reaction now by SNCF could lead to the death of that night train all together.
But Germoney is not the place for easy access to new private services. I believe it was Connex that won a court case to have private services appear on the DB online information system.
HKX is definitely not a good example to cite as a company that does not feel discriminated. In a recent TV report, they complained that DB had not given them space for a ticket office in Köln Hbf. DB Station of course claimed that there was no availability, which is entirely possible in a bustling station such as Köln, although some arrangement might have been possible. HKX recently announced that they could not keep up the competition and redesign their train routes into a regional service.
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Old July 24th, 2014, 03:19 PM   #2282
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DB's flexibility apparently has its limits when Thalys is involved. When last I was going to book Brussels-Cologne-Berlin with a mix of Thalys and ICE trains and a tight connection in cologne would have been involved, the very experienced train agency told me not to risk it, as DB would not let me ride another train under the SparTicket conditions if I had bought a separate Thalys and DB ticket, something they usually do if you arrive with separate tickets by companies they still cooperate with.
Thalys and DB are both in Railteam...
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Old July 24th, 2014, 09:08 PM   #2283
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Thalys and DB are both in Railteam...
Yes, but that means if I buy a single ticket from London to Cologne say from Thalys and the Eurostar is late arriving in Brussels, I miss the connection to the Thalys, I can take the next ICE. However, if I buy a Thalys ticket Brussels-Cologne and a DB ticket Cologne-Berlin bound to a particular train and I miss the connection in Cologne, DB is not obliged to let me take the next ICE with that same ticket, and according to what I was told, they do not do so out of courtesy either.
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Old July 24th, 2014, 10:41 PM   #2284
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Yes, but that means if I buy a single ticket from London to Cologne say from Thalys and the Eurostar is late arriving in Brussels, I miss the connection to the Thalys, I can take the next ICE. However, if I buy a Thalys ticket Brussels-Cologne and a DB ticket Cologne-Berlin bound to a particular train and I miss the connection in Cologne, DB is not obliged to let me take the next ICE with that same ticket, and according to what I was told, they do not do so out of courtesy either.
That is why i would suggest you buy Brussel - Berlin from B-Europe,com. You can compare ICE versus ICE/Thalys, and you get the same prices as if you'd book everything on seperate sites.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 12:31 PM   #2285
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However, if I buy a Thalys ticket Brussels-Cologne and a DB ticket Cologne-Berlin bound to a particular train and I miss the connection in Cologne, DB is not obliged to let me take the next ICE with that same ticket
A Thalys ticket is indeed only valid on the train specified on the ticket.
But as far as I know a DB train ticket consists of a separate fare, reservation and, when applicable, an IC/ICE surcharge. Thus on the date specified on the ticket you can take any train on the route the ticket is for, but your reservation is only valid for that one specific train.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 10:24 PM   #2286
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A Thalys ticket is indeed only valid on the train specified on the ticket. But as far as I know a DB train ticket consists of a separate fare, reservation and, when applicable, an IC/ICE surcharge. Thus on the date specified on the ticket you can take any train on the route the ticket is for, but your reservation is only valid for that one specific train.
Not if you have a sparpreis. Then you have to take a particular train. A sparpreis doesn't automatically come with a reservation though. However, if you miss a connection because a train was late you can take the next one.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #2287
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Seasonal CityNightLine Sleeper Service from Zuerich, Switzerland to the Sea Resort of Binz at the Baltic Sea in East Germany:

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Old July 27th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #2288
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some news about Mannheim - Frankfurt line:
http://www.eurailpress.de/news/polit...erverkehr.html
http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/in...817935b83.html
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Old July 27th, 2014, 03:21 AM   #2289
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So new HSR corridor?
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Old July 27th, 2014, 03:49 AM   #2290
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A new mixed traffic line then, if my hilarious Google translation is correct?
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Old July 27th, 2014, 04:11 AM   #2292
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A new mixed traffic line then, if my hilarious Google translation is correct?
Experts in the ministry of infrastructure whish to have passanger traffic during the day and freight traffic at night.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 09:14 AM   #2293
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A new mixed traffic line then, if my hilarious Google translation is correct?
Correct although "mixed" means passenger trains during daytime and freight trains at night in this context ...
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Old July 27th, 2014, 01:54 PM   #2294
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Which makes a lot of sense, one has to note.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 06:03 PM   #2295
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S-Bahn Berlin is to keep S-Bahn services on which they would be replaced by another operator until mid 2023. It was planned that another operator would take over de ring line and services towards the southeast per the end of 2017, but this has been postponed. Cause of this is rolling stock shortage: new trains are needed as a part of the current fleet is nearing the end of its life, but the Berlin Senate has hesitated too long to procure new trains.

So, a deal has been made where DB will retain these services and the current fleet (owned by DB) will be overhauled. This gives VBB more time to prepare the tenders and procurement of new rolling stock. The overhaul of the current fleet is expected to cost between € 100 million and € 160 million, but it's not yet been decided who picks up the tab. S-Bahn Berlin has indicated that they are not willing to pay for the overhaul.

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Old July 27th, 2014, 10:08 PM   #2296
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Why doesn't BVB just takes over operation of the S-Bahn Berlin?
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Old July 27th, 2014, 11:22 PM   #2297
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Why doesn't BVB just takes over operation of the S-Bahn Berlin?
I suppose you mean BVG. BVB is either a football club or a long distance bus operator :-)
So, why should BVG take over a train network, including approx. 700 EMU-2 vehicles?
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Old July 27th, 2014, 11:45 PM   #2298
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Is there even a major city, where suburban rail is operated by the city's own carrier?
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Is there even a major city, where suburban rail is operated by the city's own carrier?
Paris, RER A and B-South. Budapest, HÉV-lines. For example.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #2300
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The S-Bahn services are part of German regional rail services (just like any other S-Bahn network or any normal regional train). Those are tendered by the respective State according to EU rules, in that case Berlin. I think it would be legally very problematic if Berlin-owned BVG should win a tender by the State of Berlin for its S-Bahn. Furthermore, Berlin is dependent on subsidies by other German states anyway, so why would they invest hundreds of millions of euros?
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