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Old December 14th, 2014, 12:19 PM   #2501
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German Railways (Deutsche Bahn) is the operator of the CityNightLine sleeper trains.
Last Friday (Dec 12, 2014) the CityNightLine train has left Paris Gare de L'Est to Berlin/Hamburg/Munich.
This connection has been ceased by German Railways due to cost, occupancy and rolling stock issues.

Here is a video of the last voyage of this (now) historic train from Paris.

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Old December 14th, 2014, 12:52 PM   #2502
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Old December 14th, 2014, 03:15 PM   #2503
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Fortunately, some other international trains are still popular, among them the trains from Germany to Polish Szczecin. For example the last evening train from Angermünde, where passengers coming on RE from Berlin change into the smaller RB set. Unfortunately not everyone could easily fit into the second one, e.g. yesterday, as this video shows...

More about that in the local German newspaper (in German), the issue first noticed by MiWolo::FS on another thread.

The link to Szczecin is still very popular in spite of low speed on the line (travelling the 135 km distance from Berlin Hbf to Szczecin Gl takes 2 - 2½ hrs), the existance of short non-electrified section from Angermünde to Polish border, the necessity of at least one train change and growing competition of buses. Perhaps the priorities are elsewhere? Well, it may well be "worth" the wait. The passengers will find other ways of travelling, for sure.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 01:41 AM   #2504
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If Germany can't manage to upgrade e.g. Munich-Zurich to a decent connection, Berlin-Stettin certainly doesn't deserve to be a priority.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 02:02 AM   #2505
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If the connection Vienna - Salzburg - Innsbruck - Zürich is a decent Railjet connection, why can't Munich have one? They could let ÖBB run it, as they run the Munich to Budapest service as well.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 02:07 AM   #2506
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If the connection Vienna - Salzburg - Innsbruck - Zürich is a decent Railjet connection, why can't Munich have one? They could let ÖBB run it, as they run the Munich to Budapest service as well.
I think it is quite impossible because there are a lot of Mountains in Austria and Swziterland! To build HSR in Switzerland and Austria is necessary to build many tunnels. It would be very expensive and will take many yeas to get ready! It is not viable!
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Old December 15th, 2014, 02:16 AM   #2507
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I'm not talking high speed. I'm talking Railjet. The one from Vienna to Zurich via Salzburg runs a little through Germany. They could have another Railjet line running from Munich and rejoin the original one just outside Rosenheim.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 02:44 AM   #2508
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I'm not talking high speed. I'm talking Railjet. The one from Vienna to Zurich via Salzburg runs a little through Germany. They could have another Railjet line running from Munich and rejoin the original one just outside Rosenheim.
Problem is though that some of the trains running towards Zurich are already double-tractions and can as a consequence not be joined with the potential train from Munich. It should nevertheless be possible to add another stop in Rosenheim for the VIE - ZHR Railjet and have a connection there.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 02:53 AM   #2509
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Isn't that an awfully long route from Munich to Zurich?
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Problem is though that some of the trains running towards Zurich are already double-tractions and can as a consequence not be joined with the potential train from Munich. It should nevertheless be possible to add another stop in Rosenheim for the VIE - ZHR Railjet and have a connection there.
That would mean a direction change in Rosenheim because both Austria-bound rail lines leave the station in the same direction.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 03:52 PM   #2511
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I actually meant changing trains in Rosenheim between the RJ going to Vienna and the RJ traveling towards Zurich.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 08:04 AM   #2512
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I'm not talking high speed. I'm talking Railjet. The one from Vienna to Zurich via Salzburg runs a little through Germany. They could have another Railjet line running from Munich and rejoin the original one just outside Rosenheim.
That would not be faster then the current route. I think it makes more sense to speed up Zürich - München, even with a new line, and coordinate services so that this becomes the fastest route from Zürich to Wien as well.
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Munich, Vienna.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:32 AM   #2514
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I actually meant changing trains in Rosenheim between the RJ going to Vienna and the RJ traveling towards Zurich.
Problem is that the Vorarlberg line is too steep, curvy and slow
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Yeah. Mountains, what are you gonna do? What's with the ?
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Old December 16th, 2014, 10:36 AM   #2517
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Yeah. Mountains, what are you gonna do? What's with the ?
He is just frustrated that you can't turn the Alps in a large sprawling suburban area.. that's all!
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He is just frustrated that you can't turn the Alps in a large sprawling suburban area..
Some (not all, not most, not many) valleys should be fit with linear intense development, with mid-rises and some skyscrapers around They need fast rail lines to achieve that, and valley highways (another discussion).
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Some (not all, not most, not many) valleys should be fit with linear intense development, with mid-rises and some skyscrapers around They need fast rail lines to achieve that, and valley highways (another discussion).
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