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Old December 16th, 2014, 08:06 PM   #2521
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Old December 16th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #2522
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New locos from Bombardier, but I can't get what they are:





(from Facebook, sorry for the extra size)

BR 147: evolution of BR 146 for DB Regio?

BR 187: ?? (it seems rated for 160 km/h)

Why the container-style side panels? I even suspect they're not complete, but they're painted and all...
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Old December 16th, 2014, 08:48 PM   #2523
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Nope BR 147 will be used for the IC-Dostos according to this source: http://www.ice-treff.de/index.php?id=296186

No idea why they use these silly side panels though.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 10:19 PM   #2524
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No idea why they use these silly side panels though.

They're ribbed for extra pleasure.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #2525
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Nope BR 147 will be used for the IC-Dostos according to this source: http://www.ice-treff.de/index.php?id=296186
That means IC-DoSto is limited to 160 km/h... I was hoping for an evolution of those coached to 200, as the Belgian ones.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #2526
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That means IC-DoSto is limited to 160 km/h... I was hoping for an evolution of those coached to 200, as the Belgian ones.
It is still a very long way till those become operational. I suppose we'll see them running at 189 once they are certified.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 10:49 PM   #2527
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Right, I forgot about the 189 km/h trick...
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Old December 16th, 2014, 11:04 PM   #2528
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This is a Bombardier Traxx of the 3rd generation. The ribs were needed for construction strength, as the flat panels had their weaknesses.

If you look closely at the wall you will notice that there's a ridge on the top side and a couple of supports on the bottom. These are supports for Bombardier's so-called "Flex Panel" design, fleet owners can use canvas panels with the operator logos on it and can quickly swap them whenever loco ownership changes.

The difference between BR 147 and BR 187 is the equipment: the 147 is an AC3 locomotive ('Traxx AC, 3rd generation') equipped for Germany only, while the 187 is an MS3 (Multi system, 3rd generation) which can also operate under 25 kV.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #2529
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That means IC-DoSto is limited to 160 km/h... I was hoping for an evolution of those coached to 200, as the Belgian ones.
Ha ! The SNCB double deckers ran 200 km/h on HSL 2 only for a few weeks...
Their suspension is too flexible and people on the upper deck got sick. Now
it's back to 170 km/h maximum. They did not alter the "IC200" logo on
the cars, but it's just a plain lie.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #2530
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I understood that SNCB is still looking at ways to reinstate the 200 km/h speed with the M6 coaches, but it might not have a high priority as the time table provides plenty of slack to operate at 170 km/h speeds.

This slack is necessary because the other stock used, the I11 coaches, require long dwell times due to the narrow gangways and doors.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #2531
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Very interesting. Cool pictures..
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The ribs were needed for construction strength, as the flat panels had their weaknesses.

If you look closely at the wall you will notice that there's a ridge on the top side and a couple of supports on the bottom. These are supports for Bombardier's so-called "Flex Panel" design, fleet owners can use canvas panels with the operator logos on it and can quickly swap them whenever loco ownership changes.
May I say that this seems the most silly idea in the railway industry since the introduction of the Schienenzeppelin?
I mean, the market of mainline locos leasing has surely become more liquid in recent years, but I didn't know machines change operator so quickly that there's not time to apply a couple of stickers

As many friends pointed out, back in the old days we used to build the ribs inside the machine to avoid aerodynamic drag...

Anyway, I now remember I visited a prototype of BR187 at Transport Logistic in München (2011), it was fitted with the "last mile diesel". At the time it looked like they hid a 1984 Ford Transit aspirated engine inside a statical electric loco, just to have people say "Hey, it's diesel"
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Old December 18th, 2014, 01:01 AM   #2533
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The advantage of the Flex Panel over stickers is how quickly you can get them on and off. (De)stickering a locomotive takes a considerable amount of time (a day is easily lost!), while fitting a panel like this takes just a couple of minutes. Time is money, also for the leasing companies.

So this is why Bombardier hopes the Flex Panel concept will catch on, like it did in the trucking industry on the road.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 08:48 AM   #2534
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Another reason for the flex panel is that creating a large smooth surface takes more effort. This method makes manufacturing cheaper.
Anyway, there are already plenty of pictures of TRAXX3s with panels fitted. If you hadn't known the construction method you wouldn't have guessed.
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The advantage of the Flex Panel over stickers is how quickly you can get them on and off.
May be this will get us into the age of locomotives sides covered with
advertising, like we already have with tramways in some cities ? I know
it already exists now, albeit not very widespread.
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May be this will get us into the age of locomotives sides covered with
advertising, like we already have with tramways in some cities ? I know
it already exists now, albeit not very widespread.
But how often are freight locos seen around by people other than railway employees
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The advantage of the Flex Panel over stickers is how quickly you can get them on and off. (De)stickering a locomotive takes a considerable amount of time (a day is easily lost!), while fitting a panel like this takes just a couple of minutes. Time is money, also for the leasing companies.

So this is why Bombardier hopes the Flex Panel concept will catch on, like it did in the trucking industry on the road.
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Another reason for the flex panel is that creating a large smooth surface takes more effort. This method makes manufacturing cheaper.
Wait wait, now I get where's the misunderstanding.
I was figuring out the final result following a post I read somewhere, which described the panels as single items (one per rib). That appeared both time consuming and difficult to finish to obtain a flat surface.

Now, looking at the complete panel, it's clear much stuff in missing in the two pics I posted (large picture here). It was a bit misleading to see the finished paint and numbering without the panels.
If you tell me that it's cheper to build, the finished design makes much more sense

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But how often are freight locos seen around by people other than railway employees
Well, it's not uncommon to see freight trains passing by passenger platforms.
There's a funny paradox because in countries where rail usage is more intense, and especially in urban areas with higher passenger numbers, freight corridors are almost completely dedicated... so final visibility is at risk of being lower.
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The first ICx has been finished !

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It looks horrible compared to the old stock.
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