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Old November 3rd, 2015, 02:54 AM   #2821
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Well, those are interesting too, for external details.
Meanwhile we found a bunch of internal photos, on a nordic board (still have to understand if Norwegian or Danish).

I wonder why the 015, which is older, looks much more modern than its followers. Probably HSB said "Ok, we like it, but make it cheaper"
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 01:49 PM   #2822
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Indeed 15 seems to be more curved, 16 and 19 have much more defined corners.

Would you like unwatermarked photgraphs?
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 03:48 PM   #2823
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No, thank you, it's enough info for dad's work
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 05:23 AM   #2824
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Old November 24th, 2015, 12:23 AM   #2825
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DB apparently learned from ÖBB's RJ loco design failure. I always hate it when they are inverted.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 12:30 AM   #2826
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yay, new ICs that can only go 160 km/h
Let's not forget that there will be new ICs (ICx) in the future, which will be marketed as ICE and will also only go 230/250 km/h.
Soon it'll be faster to walk than take the so-called "HSR"
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Old November 24th, 2015, 12:39 AM   #2827
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The IC2 stock will run on routes where you can't go much faster than 160 anyway.

The ICx stock will run on the routes where going harder than 200 - 250 doesn't make any sense, such as Ruhrgebiet - Berlin via Hannover (no 300 km/h routes there).

The ICE 3/Velaro stock will run on the routes where it makes sense, such as between Frankfurt and Cologne, Nürnberg - Erfurt, and so on.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 10:44 AM   #2828
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Old November 24th, 2015, 03:18 PM   #2829
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Old November 24th, 2015, 03:33 PM   #2830
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The IC2 stock will run on routes where you can't go much faster than 160 anyway.

The ICx stock will run on the routes where going harder than 200 - 250 doesn't make any sense, such as Ruhrgebiet - Berlin via Hannover (no 300 km/h routes there).

The ICE 3/Velaro stock will run on the routes where it makes sense, such as between Frankfurt and Cologne, Nürnberg - Erfurt, and so on.
still, it's a shitty devolopement. In the most important IC connections, there are some 200km/h stretches which are then useless. But I suspect the new ICs will more ore less take the place of the old IR and the ICx trains will take the more important routes, then labeled as 'ICE'. That just makes train travel even more expensive.

There are areas where the new ICx make sense, like Berlin-HH, or as you mentioned Berlin-Ruhr, but pretty much every other important connection has or will have stretches with 280-300 km/h. I think they even want to use ICx trains on the new Munich-Berlin line, which will have long parts with 300km/h.

So overall I think the ICx wouldn't be so bad, if it replaced ICs or the older ICEs on lines that can't support higher speeds anyway, but for what they want it to be, which is it being the future backbone of german HSR, I'd say it's also the last nail in germany's HSR's coffin.

But well we'll see. The new trains could be very useful in some places and I'm always ready to receive positive surprises. I couldn't think of a single one in relation to DB, though.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 06:22 PM   #2831
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I think he means that when the loco comes swapped around, the color scheme is screwed.
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still, it's a shitty devolopement. In the most important IC connections, there are some 200km/h stretches which are then useless. But I suspect the new ICs will more ore less take the place of the old IR and the ICx trains will take the more important routes, then labeled as 'ICE'. That just makes train travel even more expensive.
Frequencey, punctuality and good integration are more important then top speed. Running more trains by itself will already shorten travel times for many people. What I see DB doing is at the one hand improving their ICE network, and at the other hand positioning their IC network as a slower, but cheaper altenrative. That is a good strategy I think.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 01:10 PM   #2833
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Does anyone have any info on the interior accomodations of these trains? Are the seats like those in the current IC/ICE trains with sockets, tables etc? Is there room for luggage as overhead space is normally miserable on double deckers?Is there a restaurant/buffet car?
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Old November 25th, 2015, 07:47 PM   #2834
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The IC2 coaches are very similar to the ones you'll usually find on RegionalExpress services, but the interior is up to par with that of an ICE 2 or ICmod coaches (refurbished coaches as found between Amsterdam and Berlin).
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Does anyone have any info on the interior accomodations of these trains? Are the seats like those in the current IC/ICE trains with sockets, tables etc? Is there room for luggage as overhead space is normally miserable on double deckers?Is there a restaurant/buffet car?
Official information in german above is telling, that there will be a basic offer of foods and drinks at place, so no restaurant. Most important is Internet provided in trains (a thing nearly all long-distance-busses in Germany already offer for free). Luggage can be stored in extra compartments, so not mainly over the seat. The IC-Neu basically is discussed as the reinvention of the former IR. But it couldn´t be named like this again, it closes a gap anyway.
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Frequencey, punctuality and good integration are more important then top speed. Running more trains by itself will already shorten travel times for many people. What I see DB doing is at the one hand improving their ICE network, and at the other hand positioning their IC network as a slower, but cheaper altenrative. That is a good strategy I think.
Frequency, punctuality and good intigration is something that shouldn't be an issue. Least of all one they try to compensate at the cost of high-speed. What DB should do is reintroduce the IRs, use the new ICs for important IC and slower ICE connections and do the rest with real highspeed. Of course that would mean less profit for DB, since they can't demand ICE prices for previous IC connections and admit that they completely ****ed up their policies, so that won't ever happen. And - by the way- I've been following this thread for awhile, reapeating your arguments over and over again doesn't make them any better. Turning the ICE into a giant S-Bahn won't help anybody in country like germany. What you try so desperately to good-talk isn't rational - it's apologetic. If it's for patriotic reasons or if you're just a fan of DB I don't know, but please, there's no need to defend something that's not worth defending.
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Deutsche Bahn is working with some Bundesländer to make the IC trains accessible to people holding tickets for the Nahverkehr, in turn the Länder would have to pay for the price difference. This is upsetting some of DB's competitors as they consider this as unfair competition.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 08:37 AM   #2838
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... there's no need to defend something that's not worth defending.
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