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Old December 6th, 2015, 10:36 AM   #2841
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The recent destruction of a railway bridge in Weener (North-West Germany) has been well documented on this video:
Youtube video by Schiffs Kanal
For all who didn't hear the news: last Thusday evening a freighter collided with one of Germany's longest railway bridges, cutting it in two. Most likely the accident was caused by a miscommunication. The bridge could not be lifted immediately to pass the ship due to the approaching train, but the captain of "Emsmoon" just kept going. The destruction has been so severe that the bridge cannot be repaired, the construction of a new one will take years.

Photo source: @WgSiFriesland/Twitter
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Old December 7th, 2015, 01:20 AM   #2842
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The Dutch railways are talking about a projected 5 years until trains can again take this route. Too bad, since there were talks about heavily intensifying railroad traffic on this route.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 01:47 AM   #2843
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Couldn't they build a prefab bridge within a few months and install it?
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Old December 7th, 2015, 02:01 AM   #2844
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I believe it must be a fully operative movable bridge, because water traffic cannot be interrupted on that river/canal.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #2845
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I believe it must be a fully operative movable bridge, because water traffic cannot be interrupted on that river/canal.
LOL,that seems to what lead to the bridges demise.
On a serious note, a 5 year time scale to replace the damaged bridge makes tells me it is low on their list of prioritys.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 07:19 PM   #2846
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Would a tunnel be a possible option? That way there'd be no conflict between trains and ships.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 07:40 PM   #2847
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A tunnel would probably take even longer to build..
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Old December 9th, 2015, 10:23 AM   #2848
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A tunnel would probably take even longer to build..
Both to plan and to build, true. Would it be worth it though? If both the waterway has to stay navigable and the thought is to increase traffic on the rail line then a tunnel would make sense, wouldn't it?
But not as a emergency measure.
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Old December 9th, 2015, 12:43 PM   #2849
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Or to build a high static bridge. Not as much as it used to. A deal too stupid of the ship driver not to stop on STOP!!!
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Old December 10th, 2015, 07:48 PM   #2850
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Well it will be now for some years easier for the Meyer yard to deliver its large ships.
(This yard produces mainly very big cruise ships.)

Until now everytime a new ship from this yard had to pass this bridge they had to remove one segment next to the movable part to make enough room.

(Please don´t ask me who had the great idea to build these large ships far away from the sea. )

It looked like this:



Here is the opened bridge to allow smaller ships to pass. (RIP)
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Old December 10th, 2015, 07:58 PM   #2851
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On a serious note, a 5 year time scale to replace the damaged bridge makes tells me it is low on their list of prioritys.

Presumably passenger train levels are low on this route. Do any freight trains operate?
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Old December 10th, 2015, 10:15 PM   #2852
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It was a two hourly interal on the passenger train when I travelled this way a good number of years ago. But I believe it was just a newly instated service then. I heard it had been increased to hourly.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #2853
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There were no plans whatsoever to replace the bridge, so now that it is required everything has to be arranged. Financing, works to get rid of the old bridge and foundations (without interrupting ships too much), design and construction of the new bridge, commissioning...

And Germany is not known for fast infrastructure works. Maybe they should talk to the Chinese?

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Presumably passenger train levels are low on this route.
According to the province there's a daily ridership of 2000 to 3000 on the route between Groningen and Leer, but this also includes the ridership for for example Zuidbroek - Groningen. Cross-border ridership is not much more than a few hundred passengers.

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There is some freight as far as I know.
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Old December 14th, 2015, 11:38 AM   #2854
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Timetable change in Germany

On Sunday, the timetable change (is that proper English? ) introduced some new lines/services.

The biggest change is probably the opening of the new HSL between Leipzig/Halle and Erfurt.
Services: http://www.bahn.de/p/view/mdb/bahnin...iennetz_01.pdf
Journey times: http://www.bahn.de/p/view/mdb/bahnin...rzeiten_01.pdf

The ICE Sprinter network has been revised, there is no additional surcharge anymore and no obligatory reservation: http://www.bahn.de/p/view/angebot/fe...sprinter.shtml (German)

Furthermore, the new IC2 started official operation between Leipzig and Norddeich via Hannover.

We have new operators on regional services with new trains between Bielefeld/Rheine-Hannover-Braunschweig and Münster-Emden (former: DB Regio, new: Westfalenbahn, photo), Hannover-Wolfsburg and Wolfsburg-Braunschweig-Hildesheim (former: DB Regio, new: Metronom).

Feel free to add more changes. I have only mentioned changes to regional services in the area I live
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Old December 14th, 2015, 06:40 PM   #2855
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The ICE Sprinter network has been revised, there is no additional surcharge anymore and no obligatory reservation: http://www.bahn.de/p/view/angebot/fe...sprinter.shtml (German)
Thanks for answering a question you didn't know I had. I was just wondering what had happened to the additional surcharge.
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We have new operators on regional services with new trains between Bielefeld/Rheine-Hannover-Braunschweig and Münster-Emden (former: DB Regio, new: Westfalenbahn, photo), Hannover-Wolfsburg and Wolfsburg-Braunschweig-Hildesheim (former: DB Regio, new: Metronom).

Feel free to add more changes. I have only mentioned changes to regional services in the area I live
Another operator has entered the market: National Express. Since yesterday they operate the RE7 "Rhein-Münsterland-Express" (Krefeld - Rheine via Köln/Wuppertal/Hamm) and RB48 "Rhein-Wupper-Bahn" (Bonn - Wuppertal via Köln).
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Old December 15th, 2015, 09:51 AM   #2857
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Perhaps worth mentioning: Berlin has a new stop for regional trains: Ostkreuz, formerly just an S-Bahn interchange station, now has two regional train lines of minor importance stop there.
Otherwise in the Berlin area: Some changes on the RE and RB lines to integrate the new connections to Erfurt, also some transfers of minor RB lines to DB's competitors.
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Old December 15th, 2015, 11:49 AM   #2858
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Ostkreuz upper level, right? Any news about the RE platform(s) on the lower level?
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Yes, upper level and only one track in the direction of Lichtenberg Station. In fact, the local trains to Werneuchen and to Eberswalde/Templin have simply been extended for a short 3-minute distance (so far 2 stations by S-Bahn). In the long run though, this stop can hopefully be developed into something more useful.
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Old December 16th, 2015, 07:25 PM   #2860
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Ostkreuz upper level, right? Any news about the RE platform(s) on the lower level?
There will be two platforms for R and RE on lower level. The northern one for Küstrin/Poland-trains, the southern one for RE1 to Frankfurt/Oder.

The northern one is still provisional used for S-Bahn trains inbound. The future inbound platform for S-Bahn is now used for the outbound trains. The outbound S-Bahn platform is not finished yet. At the moment even construction of it not really started. The southern future RE1 platform is provisonally used for S3-Erkner service which is still isolated from S-Bahn-network.

S9 flyover and grade-free crossing of S3/S5 east of Ostkreuz takes shape as viaducts and bridges are already built. I hope I could made those somewhat weird situation more understandable...

Ostkreuz Upper-level could be a good option for an airport-service to BER.

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