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Old January 3rd, 2016, 06:24 AM   #2881
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Old January 6th, 2016, 03:46 PM   #2882
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Old January 9th, 2016, 01:25 AM   #2883
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What's the current state of the Dresdner Bahn project in Berlin? Slow, very slow, corpse?

I really wonder what will be opened first, that or BER... (no trolling, I'm serious)
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Old January 9th, 2016, 11:46 AM   #2884
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Accident in Puttgarden

The ICE train Hamburg-Copenhagen broke through the fence to the ferry in the harbour.

Thursday afternoon, 01.07.2016, something failed in an ICE in Puttgarden it was probably the brakes. After exchange of staff from German to Danish train crew the driver drove towards the ferry. Since the gate to the ferry was not open, he wanted to slow or stop the train again. According to him, he pushed the brakes but they did not react, so the train moved against the massive gate and broke it. Both the Fence and the front of the train were badly damaged thereby. Officials of the federal police were quickly on the spot, they took Accident Pictures and noticed the loss. The 98 passengers, none of whom was injured when initiated emergency braking, had to leave the ICE and go on shore to leave on foot to the ferry in order to continue their trip to Denmark.



To determine the exact cause of the accident, the memory of the ICE must be read out, the investigation by the Federal Police is ongoing. The extent of damage remains to be determined.
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Old January 10th, 2016, 11:10 AM   #2885
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What's the current state of the Dresdner Bahn project in Berlin? Slow, very slow, corpse?

I really wonder what will be opened first, that or BER... (no trolling, I'm serious)
Actually with Mayor Wowereit as the main appeaser of the NIMBY-protests gone, things are starting to happen. The Federal Railway Authority (EBA) has granted permission for the line to be constructed without a tunnel through the angry men's suburb of Lichtenrade in August 2015. Apparently the senate are still discussing with the NIMBY protesters, but without the tunnel, the protesters will definitely go ahead and take the EBA's decision or actually what the senate makes of it to court. Maybe they should just go ahead with it. 18 years of waiting for the Lichtenrade suburbanites has not helped those who want ecologically responsible transport and the law suit looks unavoidable. Latest article:
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/po.../12550136.html
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Old January 10th, 2016, 09:40 PM   #2886
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Sounds like good news, although -both as traveller and resident- I completely despise noise barriers raising over the height of bogies.
As a resident, I'd consider win-win having some sort of direct compensation (like, new soundproof windows) instead of those ugly walls.

Overall I don't understand why the Lichtenrade case went so much out of control. Pretty much the whole network in Berlin was rebuilt, in some parts from scratch and in denser environments, and here we're talking about a very short stretch with existing right-of-way and no planned freight traffic.

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Old January 11th, 2016, 08:53 AM   #2887
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Overall I don't understand why the Lichtenrade case went so much out of control. Pretty much the whole network in Berlin was rebuilt, in some parts from scratch and in denser environments, and here we're talking about a very short stretch with existing right-of-way and no planned freight traffic.

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That is not exactly true. Actually, just the most important parts of the network have been restored. Nordbahn and Stammbahn are missing its mainline tracks just as the Dresdner Bahn does. And mainline services on the Kremmener Bahn and the Ostbahn still terminate at stations outside the centre.
That doesn't mean that the rebuilt part of the network wouldn't work well. Quite the contrary. Yet, there is still something left to be desired.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 01:05 AM   #2888
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Well, ok, but we must admit that all those lines are much less relevant than the Dresdner. I mean, half of the whole Nord-Sud-Tunnel project is meant to make use of it, at the moment the city's most important trunk line is left incomplete because of this delay.
The single track, at-grade loop of Großbeeren is very limiting in terms of capacity and travel times, especially considering how the whole BER connection has been functionally designed as directly connected to the Dresdner Bahn.

For example, the detour between Oranienburg and Nordkreuz doesn't have the same negative impact.

About the Stammbahn, I just discovered they left the stub of a flying junction in the tunnel under Gleisdreieck, good move. But I wouldn't consider that connection as important as the Dresdner Bahn.
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Berlin needs to start working in projects to replace some Metrotram lines with grade-separated U-Bahn or something new, like monorails.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 09:57 AM   #2890
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Old January 14th, 2016, 05:03 AM   #2891
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I just discovered, from OSM and Wikipedia, that the line between Lichtenfels and Bamberg will be completely closed from 11/01/2016 to 04/09/2016 for overhaul works connected to the Nürnberg – Erfurt high speed project.

This raises two questions:
- how is local traffic managed? Just buses?
- where are the München - Berlin ICE routed? Via Fulda - Erfurt for everyone?
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Old January 14th, 2016, 07:40 AM   #2892
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Berlin needs to start working in projects to replace some Metrotram lines with grade-separated U-Bahn or something new, like monorails.
M8 into U-Bahn would be particularly beautiful.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 10:54 AM   #2893
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Well, ok, but we must admit that all those lines are much less relevant than the Dresdner. I mean, half of the whole Nord-Sud-Tunnel project is meant to make use of it, at the moment the city's most important trunk line is left incomplete because of this delay.
The single track, at-grade loop of Großbeeren is very limiting in terms of capacity and travel times, especially considering how the whole BER connection has been functionally designed as directly connected to the Dresdner Bahn.

For example, the detour between Oranienburg and Nordkreuz doesn't have the same negative impact.

About the Stammbahn, I just discovered they left the stub of a flying junction in the tunnel under Gleisdreieck, good move. But I wouldn't consider that connection as important as the Dresdner Bahn.
Would agree on most of that. Connections via Oranienburg do not reach any major cities, especially since the route via Eberswalde is the faster way to reach Stralsund. Nonetheless it would be beautiful to have the direct northern route through Berlin developed someday.
The Stammbahn, besides providing rail access to a few suburbs such as Klein-Machnow, is intended less to dramatically shorten travel times to Potsdam, but rather to increase capacity between the two cities and provide new direct connections by regional trains to other parts of Berlin. All in all, this is a regional rail issue rather than a matter for the long-distance grid though, as all westward fast traffic is concentrated on the Spandau-Wolfsburg HSR.
In short, these are two desirable, but not essential part of the "mushroom rail concept" that was part of developing the new Hbf.
By contrast, it is rather unacceptable that the southeastern leg of the mushroom has failed to develop and that passengers to Dresden and Prague must take a twenty minute detour to ensure the tranquility of Lichtenrade. If one looks at the rail corridors through Wedding/Prenzlauer Berg, Moabit, Schöneberg, Lichterfelde, all realized without much resistance, one wonders what makes Lichtenrade residents so special. As someone living off of the northern exit of the rail tunnel in Moabit, I can say that people here are much more annoyed by car traffic and Tegel airport noise than the trains, especially if they have modern cars and engines and if there is no freight to be expected, as is the case with Lichtenrade.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 10:56 AM   #2894
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Berlin needs to start working in projects to replace some Metrotram lines with grade-separated U-Bahn or something new, like monorails.
They are one step behind you. They are presently considering upgrading metrobus lines into metrotrams, especially for the popular M41 through Neukölln, Kreuzberg to Hbf.
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I just discovered, from OSM and Wikipedia, that the line between Lichtenfels and Bamberg will be completely closed from 11/01/2016 to 04/09/2016 for overhaul works connected to the Nürnberg – Erfurt high speed project.

This raises two questions:
- how is local traffic managed? Just buses?
- where are the München - Berlin ICE routed? Via Fulda - Erfurt for everyone?
A while ago, DB posted this map on Facebook:


You can find a document about these engineering works on Deutsche Bahn's website.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 11:06 AM   #2896
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I just discovered, from OSM and Wikipedia, that the line between Lichtenfels and Bamberg will be completely closed from 11/01/2016 to 04/09/2016 for overhaul works connected to the Nürnberg – Erfurt high speed project.

This raises two questions:
- how is local traffic managed? Just buses?
- where are the München - Berlin ICE routed? Via Fulda - Erfurt for everyone?
Yes, an ICE departing Munich will head northwest to Fulda, then head east via the conventional route to Erfurt, then use the new HSR section to Erfurt and continue via Leipzig. DB claims that this is no longer than what trains took previously via Jena; however all the time advantage provided by the Leipzig-Erfurt HSR goes to serving this detour.
I came back from eastern Bavaria yesterday and discovered that rather than doing these huge detours at up to 300 kmh, I would reach Berlin at the same time by using small DMUs on non-modernized routes via Hof and Gera.

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The ICE train Hamburg-Copenhagen broke through the fence to the ferry in the harbour.

Thursday afternoon, 01.07.2016, something failed in an ICE in Puttgarden it was probably the brakes. After exchange of staff from German to Danish train crew the driver drove towards the ferry. Since the gate to the ferry was not open, he wanted to slow or stop the train again. According to him, he pushed the brakes but they did not react, so the train moved against the massive gate and broke it. Both the Fence and the front of the train were badly damaged thereby. Officials of the federal police were quickly on the spot, they took Accident Pictures and noticed the loss. The 98 passengers, none of whom was injured when initiated emergency braking, had to leave the ICE and go on shore to leave on foot to the ferry in order to continue their trip to Denmark.
Man good thing it didn't fall into the harbor and that everyone is okay..

Although the train looks far from "badly damaged", why do articles exaggerate so much?



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Although the train looks farm from "badly damaged", why do articles exaggerate so much?
A little thing I like to call "journalism".
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