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Old April 17th, 2016, 04:40 AM   #2981
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And the fact that every single usage of Zs1 implies giving an official explanation to a supervisor is itself a second layer of control on the system, albeit in a later moment, considering one would not operate it if he's not fully aware of what he's actually doing.

I still think that we can provide any possible layer of extra protocol/automatic safety, but in the end the system will rely on the professional skills of a single man, so we should concentrate on those instead of looking for more and more complicated protocols.
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Old April 17th, 2016, 03:05 PM   #2982
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Good maintenance, too, is important. If the signalling system fails and Zs1 shall be applied on a daily basis, the decision for apllying it will be easier: "I do now what I usually do, every day when the system fails". However if the system is maintained properly, the dispathcer won't think "I can't give green because the signalling failed" but "I can't give green because something unusual happened, possibly there is a train in this section".
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Old April 17th, 2016, 08:37 PM   #2983
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I still think that we can provide any possible layer of extra protocol/automatic safety, but in the end the system will rely on the professional skills of a single man, so we should concentrate on those instead of looking for more and more complicated protocols.
Any system that always relies of on one person to do the right thing is doomed to suffer periodic disasters.
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Old April 18th, 2016, 11:10 PM   #2984
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Old May 17th, 2016, 12:40 AM   #2988
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Old May 18th, 2016, 10:11 PM   #2989
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DB Cargo Planned Terminal Closures

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Old May 19th, 2016, 10:41 PM   #2990
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Isn't that like about all of them?

They link the list itself btw: http://www.swr.de/-/id=17448532/prop...usrk/index.pdf

Looking at it broadly shows how it's a bit media hype. Many of the stations to be no longer serviced by DB Cargo are the inshore and riverine ports where DB only has a marginal existence anyway - because they have competitors who run cargo there.

Most of the rest is located in areas where the economy is down in the dumps anyway. And a couple aren't exactly up to DB to close down; a simple example is "Heidelberg HBf Baulg" (a siding where construction trains are refitted, not a freight siding...) which will be torn down as part of urban redevelopment.
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Old May 20th, 2016, 10:49 AM   #2991
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I don't know the individual loading points anywhere near well enough to imagine how much of a traffic loss, in terms of numbers of wagons per month, for example, the closure of them will represent.

But you sound as though you know them. And I've done a little research into some of them using satellite photos and quite a few seem to be very small and in some cases hard to see!

Perhaps then the closure programme is not as big a deal as it was feared by some to be when it was first announced, when the number of terminals to no longer be served had yet to be confirmed.
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Old May 20th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #2992
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Many of those in the list - in rural places mostly - also only barely escaped the MORA-C axe fifteen years ago already, the last major closure of freight terminals by DB; in some cases services by DB at these terminals were severely limited back then already (e.g. only taking full 50-waggon train loads).
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Old May 20th, 2016, 07:50 PM   #2993
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Old May 20th, 2016, 09:03 PM   #2994
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For a sample i just went through the 11 cargo stations with changes in the list in the Rhine-Neckar region.

Of these:
  • four are port railheads (Ludwigshafen Rheingönheim, Mannheim Rheinau, Mannheim Industriehafen, Wörth):
    • Rheingönheim: primary customer (fuel depot) is served by competitor HGK; strong presence of multiple other competitors; giving up in face of competition apparently [note: currently five trains per week]
    • Industriehafen: primary customer (trash burning plant) is served by competitor AVG; service for other customers will be changed to other schedules [note: currently ten trains per week]
    • Rheinau: primary customer (coal plant) switched to mostly riverine transport last year; service for other customers will be changed to other schedules [note: currently eleven trains per week]
    • Wörth: strong presence of competitor AVG; only changes in schedule [note: currently five trains per week]
  • five are heads with a sole customer:
    • Hagenbach (local gravel pit) - served by competitor AVG [note: already not in DB GVSt list]
    • Bellheim (strategic fuel depot) - nominal distribution function from CEPS pipeline network by train ceased last year (afaik) [note: only served as Übergabe from Wörth currently]
    • Edenkoben (ArcelorMittal) - probably only reflecting recent contract negotiations which were signed in March - major customer of DB with nationwide presence [note: currently five trains per week]
    • Neckarelz and Sansenhecken (wood transport sidings) were discontinued under MORA-C and reused from ca 2008 with the local district government as sole customer - which isn't exactly profitable and mostly political. Despite various attempts over the last decade no other local customers could be found. [note: Sansenhecken technically served as Übergabe from Bad Friedrichshall-Jagstfeld, in reality closed last month; Neckarelz currently three trains per week]
  • One is the mentioned siding for construction in Heidelberg. [note: officially served once per week, probably when the train parked there goes for a wash and refit at Mannheim RBf... ]
  • One - Schwetzingen - I don't have any idea about whether it's served at all anymore. In my opinion it's mostly used as one of two parking zones on the eastern entry to Mannheim Rbf. [note: nominally served as Übergabe from Rheinau]

Looking over the list as a whole it looks like in most regions those cargo stations given up have similar profiles to the above sample.
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Old May 20th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #2995
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Thanks again.

A major concern of mine back in 2015 - when the news story broke about the impending cut backs but the scale had not been confirmed - had been that perhaps the traffic loss would be so large as to threaten the operation of some of the hump marshalling yards.

Now I realise that this isn't going to be the case. It seems as though DB Cargo is simply doing a little bit of housekeeping.

On a different note, can someone explain why the GDL union thought that a strike lasting several days was a good idea last year? Do not these people understand that if DB Cargo loses customers then GDL members and other DB Cargo employees might lose their jobs?

Militant trade in unions in France I can understand, it's part of the national culture. But I was shocked to see strikes in Germany. Strikes don't seem to me to be very German.
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Old May 21st, 2016, 12:25 PM   #2996
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Thanks again.

A major concern of mine back in 2015 - when the news story broke about the impending cut backs but the scale had not been confirmed - had been that perhaps the traffic loss would be so large as to threaten the operation of some of the hump marshalling yards.

Now I realise that this isn't going to be the case. It seems as though DB Cargo is simply doing a little bit of housekeeping.

On a different note, can someone explain why the GDL union thought that a strike lasting several days was a good idea last year? Do not these people understand that if DB Cargo loses customers then GDL members and other DB Cargo employees might lose their jobs?

Militant trade in unions in France I can understand, it's part of the national culture. But I was shocked to see strikes in Germany. Strikes don't seem to me to be very German.
Strikes are the ultima ratio in german labour ´unionism´. If no consensus is found between union and employer, as was the case with DB a lot in recent times, of course a strike will happen. GDL is also slightly in competition with another union concerning representation of rail employees who are not train drivers, but on the whole, it's rather understandable that they want more money, isn't it? Plus, they are in a position of power that french unions don't have, at least not if you look at it realistically
DB employees usually don't lose their jobs because, well, DB doesn't really have enough of them anyway. (There are some fields in Germany, where it's not the employer who choses the applicant, but the other way around... I've heard of SMEs who paid their apprentices a car)
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Old May 21st, 2016, 01:12 PM   #2997
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The desire for more money is something that pretty much any human can relate to. But to go on strike? That's not something that I'd ever do and it's not something that I can sympathise with.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 04:46 PM   #2998
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If you don't get more salary although the company and the economy is doing quite well, then I can understand the employees. It is the ultimate measure to exert some pressure onto the employers. What else could they do except for keep working under same conditions?

Back to topic: DB says the 215 terminals they plan to close only comprise 0.4 % of the turnover of DB Cargo.

http://www.deutschebahn.com/de/press...temsPerPage=10
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