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Old September 16th, 2017, 10:49 PM   #3281
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The problem with reversal has been solved in Cologne as well, with the lower tracks at Deutz.

There's also a plan to better connect them towards the HSR (part of a bigger plan of improvements in the area).


Leipzig will remain a terminal station for ICE, but can be skipped via Halle. Although I don't agree with that solution... "skipping" means "skipping", not "just stop somewhere else". They should have continued the main route of the HSR from south of Halle straight into Bitterfeld.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 09:38 PM   #3282
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The problem with reversal has been solved in Cologne as well, with the lower tracks at Deutz.
There is not even a feasability study for a tunnel connection between Ostbahnhof and Hbf. in Frankfurt imho, so I would not agree that it´s necessary to underpass skycrapers. Obviously there is an option to follow streets and run along the Main. Frankfurt 21 really had the intention to knock down existing U-Bahnstation at Hbf. and rebuild it at another level. This was crazy and is far away from what could be realized today, leaving existing infrastructure at it´s place.

Also it´s not about reversing trains, it´s about capacity. Most passengers change trains at Berlin Hbf. but it´s useful to have through sercvice though. This argument still counts, that a through-service needs much less tracks than terminal-stations.
Giving ICE-trains priority in the Rhein-Main-region regularly turns schedules of RE and S-Bahn into crap if something goes wrong. Anyway they should add more tracks at the Main-bridge first but it can only be seen as the first step.

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Leipzig will remain a terminal station for ICE, but can be skipped via Halle. Although I don't agree with that solution... "skipping" means "skipping", not "just stop somewhere else". They should have continued the main route of the HSR from south of Halle straight into Bitterfeld.
That´s a thing we can live with as it´s only about two ICE-relations Berlin-Munich and Dresden-Frankfurt and Halle is an important town. If I think about it, german HSR-network will have many routes beeing served by two or more lines per hour. In the near future It would be useful to have skip-stop-service at places like Fulda, Bielefeld, Hamm, Goettingen, Wolfsburg, Stendal, Darmstadt, Bitterfeld, Wittenberg with hourly service. Something done in Great-Britain resulting in high commercial speed without HSR. Don´t know about Italy though...

BTW the Wikipedia-plan is a little to optimistic about Erfurt-Frankfurt. The BVWP 2030 considers a HSR-route from the existing north-south-line to a point south of Bebra, where the line will return on existing tracks to Erfurt.

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Old September 21st, 2017, 02:50 PM   #3283
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Skip-service is bad. They should reduce the ICE stops and improve connections with other trains at fewer ICE hubs, allowing shorter travel time with higher speeds for long distance travel overall (even if at the cost of slightly degraded travel time in regional connections a.k.a. Darmstad - Ulm.)
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Old September 21st, 2017, 04:51 PM   #3284
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Skip-service is bad. They should reduce the ICE stops and improve connections with other trains at fewer ICE hubs, allowing shorter travel time with higher speeds for long distance travel overall (even if at the cost of slightly degraded travel time in regional connections a.k.a. Darmstad - Ulm.)

This is not bad either, but it reduces capacity on a trunk route like Hannover-Fulda because it´s not possible to harmonize speeds of several lines on one single route. Skip-stop is not bad, if there still is a connection between two following stations via regional service. Well, always someone takes the blame anyway, despite which service pattern has been chosen.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 10:01 PM   #3285
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There are ICE services from Eastern Germany to Frankfurt Flughafen completely avoiding Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof, calling in F Süd and F Flughafen. Süd has obviously a worse location than the Hbf., however, has outstanding S- and U-Bahn connections.
to really boost ICE's i would invest in 2 major projects
1. Frankfurt - Mannheim
2. Ulm - Augsburg

with the bypass option of all this mentioned 4 main stations, like french:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGV_Sud_Europe_Atlantique

if you build the 2 sections like this you can operate a service:

1. munich start 8 AM
high speed without stop
2. stuttgart 9 AM
high speed without stop
3. frankfurt airport 10 AM
high speed without stop
4. cologne 11 AM

and yes you can run slower ICEs with more stops in Augsburg,Ulm,Mannheim,FrankfurtMS

the biggest problem in germany, every ICE has to stop in every (small) city and for this stop going slow, loosing a lot of time and this for a lot of forced stops

but i know, this is germany with a lot of regional "kings" and every "king" demands that every ICE goes slow through their city and stops
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Old September 27th, 2017, 04:08 PM   #3286
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One of the Polish SSC users wrote a report from his trip to Strasbourg through Germany. It seems that the organization of the bustitution in Rastatt/Baden-Baden is now perfect. There is many workers who help, everything is signposted very well, there are additional toilets and a temporary tent where they give away water. He also got a chocolate bar and a 10 euro DB voucher as a bonus because of the disturbances. The bus ride took 15 minutes.

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Dojechaliśmy do Rastatt, czyli ostatnia stacja, skąd dalej pojedziemy autobusem. Tutaj urzekła mnie cała organizacja tegoż. Wysiada się na peron, wokół dużo ludzi w kamizelkach, służących pomocą. Rozdają darmową wodę, wskazują gdzie iść (i tak dużo informacji dokąd się udać), nawet można poprosić o pomoc z przeniesieniem bagażu. Z racji, że w Rastatt jest mały dworzec, wokół dostawione tymczasowe toalety, a przed budynkiem postawiony namiot, pod którym można się schować przed deszczem. Autobusy już czekają, jest ich około siedmiu, miejskie przegubowe. W pierwszym sardynki, więc czekam na ostatni. W międzyczasie jeszcze dostaję batonika oraz przeprosinowy kupon z kodem zniżkowym na 10 euro do wykorzystania przy zakupach biletów DB.







(Chcieli mi dać drugi, ale w sumie powiedziałem, że już mam... czy nie jestem prawdziwym Polakiem w takim razie? )

Tutaj krótkie ujęcie nagrane z autobusu.


Jazda autobusem trwa około 15 minut, przyjeżdża się przed dworcem w Baden-Baden. Duże oznaczenia wejścia na peron, jak i wokół dużo tabliczek i informacji o tym, gdzie są przystanki autobusowe, toalety, z którego peronu odjeżdżają które pociągi itp.








Wsiadłem w ICE jadący do Bazylei, więc nie przesiadałem się w Appenweier a w Offenburgu. Stacja w Offenburgu taka sobie, złapałem wspominany przed wyprawą pociąg SWEG. Złożony z dwóch spiętych ze sobą szynobusów. Żadnego konduktora nie było, więc nie było jak się zapytać tutaj, czy InterRail ważny aż do Francji, ale nie było z tym problemu (w DB Reisecentrum powiedzieli mi, że jest ważny). Przejazd odbył się sprawnie, tłoku nie było. Wysiadłem na dworcu w Strasbourgu, dopiero na peronie była kontrola biletów wykonana przez pracowników SNCF i w towarzystwie ochrony kolei.


To tyle z niemieckiego epizodu mojej wycieczki. Mam nadzieję, że niezbyt zofftopowałem ani nie zanudziłem za mocno
Dzięki jeszcze raz wszystkim, którzy pomogli mi przed wyjazdem!
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Old October 25th, 2017, 12:18 AM   #3287
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Some pictures from Frankfurt Hbf back in March:


114 023 Frankfurt Hbf 14 March 2017


Frankfurt Hbf roof 14 March 2017


Frankfurt Hbf roof on 14 March 2017


103 184 Frankfurt Hbf depot 14 March 2017
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Old October 27th, 2017, 10:36 PM   #3288
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Some from Mainz Hbf in March 2017:


430 656 Mainz Hbf 13 March 2017


460 511 Mainz Hbf 13 March 2017


143 238 Mainz Hbf 14 March 2017


293 510 Mainz Hbf 14 March 2017


143 181 Mainz Hbf 14 March 2017


425 801 Mainz Hbf 14 March 2017

More here:
https://transportsceneireland.smugmu...bf-March-2017/
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Old November 12th, 2017, 10:03 PM   #3289
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How would you guys fix the delays in German rail system?
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Old November 12th, 2017, 10:19 PM   #3290
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Invest more in rail infrastructure. Much more.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 10:25 PM   #3291
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And do something about the bureaucracy which is slowing down all German infrastructure projects including much needed regular maintenance on the existing infrastructure.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 11:48 PM   #3292
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When I was riding those trains, I always wondered: what is the meaning of this "triangle" sign on the left of the destination name?
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Old November 13th, 2017, 12:53 AM   #3293
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How would you guys fix the delays in German rail system?
Yeah, the delays are kinda frustrating. But you have to consider this: Deutschland has alot of bigger cities and here and there. So there is a pretty dense railway network. To manage all the trains on a net like this is not easy. Many railway lines also have only one track rather than two. So they have to manage the trains not only at the train stations, they have to coordinate also the trains between them as well. So one disruption will result in other disruption. While the Shinkansen for example has its own highspeed track, ICEs have to share them with slow trains stopping at some villages and freight trains. The Shinkansen also has to operate on an easy network made of one long line of big cities, while in Deutschland the railway network has alot of nodal points. All that stuff results into delays, also pretty long ones. Its not an easy task managing all the trains in Deutschland.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 02:04 AM   #3294
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When I was riding those trains, I always wondered: what is the meaning of this "triangle" sign on the left of the destination name?
It indicates the length of a train. One "triangle" means a single trainset, two means two trainsets etc
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Old November 13th, 2017, 02:23 AM   #3295
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Yeah, the delays are kinda frustrating. But you have to consider this: Deutschland has alot of bigger cities and here and there. So there is a pretty dense railway network. To manage all the trains on a net like this is not easy. Many railway lines also have only one track rather than two. So they have to manage the trains not only at the train stations, they have to coordinate also the trains between them as well. So one disruption will result in other disruption. While the Shinkansen for example has its own highspeed track, ICEs have to share them with slow trains stopping at some villages and freight trains. The Shinkansen also has to operate on an easy network made of one long line of big cities, while in Deutschland the railway network has alot of nodal points. All that stuff results into delays, also pretty long ones. Its not an easy task managing all the trains in Deutschland.
In Poland, there are still people believing that the railway in Germany works like a Swiss clock and the German trains have no delays at all, on the contrary to the Polish railway
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Old November 13th, 2017, 04:49 AM   #3296
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How would you guys fix the delays in German rail system?
Short term: breaking all lines in Frankfurt(M)Hbf
Long term: establishing a segregated network for long distance services in the core of the network. That core are the routes from Frankfurt(M) to Hamburg, from Frankfurt(M) to Duisburg and from Frankfurt(M) to München via Stuttgart.
This segregation is intended to help the local services whose performance suffers almost entirely from making way for the fast trains. They would be remarkably reliable once they are the top dog on their tracks.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 10:56 AM   #3297
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Is the problem not more bureacratic. Meaning that infrastructure investment (rail/road) take way to long to pass and get stopped all the time or don't start at all.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 01:38 PM   #3298
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DB has a short list of sections which it considers congested. While some of them are on main routes outside of urban settlement and could thus rather easily be upgraded from double track to four-track or so, most problems are actually within built-up conurbations and are therefore difficult to solve. In the long run, large-scale developments such as additional tunnel lines through cities might help. In the midterm, increasing station and urban line capacity through more platforms, better signaling can help. In the short run, rerouting as much traffic as possible around downtown stations, into places such as Köln-Deutz, Frankfurt Süd etc. might help.
Obviously, all of these problems are exacerbated due to lack of funding and slow planning procedure and practice.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 02:41 PM   #3299
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In Poland, there are still people believing that the railway in Germany works like a Swiss clock and the German trains have no delays at all, on the contrary to the Polish railway
Ditto in Britain too. Some people just can't get their heads around the fact that DB suffer from the same issues as we do here.
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Old November 14th, 2017, 12:21 AM   #3300
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Is the problem not more bureacratic. Meaning that infrastructure investment (rail/road) take way to long to pass and get stopped all the time or don't start at all.
I think that's a worldwide problem unless you are China.
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