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Old March 21st, 2006, 11:11 PM   #41
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Interesting so it's possible now to go by train from Berlin to Tokyo, Rio or Sydney
of course it is, but only today

the station look very good.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 11:32 PM   #42
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Are these the train platforms on the new North-South route?
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 12:48 AM   #43
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Yes. Next station to the south is Potsdamer Platz, if I recall correctly?
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 02:42 AM   #44
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Wonderful interior!

Very beautiful, very clear, open and well-lit!!
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 10:51 AM   #45
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Yes. Next station to the south is Potsdamer Platz, if I recall correctly?
Well only for S-Bahn, don't know about Regional and InterRegio but IC and Intercity wont stop at Potzdamer AFAIK
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 03:41 PM   #46
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This is really an amazing new station! So much has been completed since I last visited it.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 07:14 PM   #47
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This hasn't been mentioned, the North South tunnel will start operation on May 28th.

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Well only for S-Bahn, don't know about Regional and InterRegio but IC and Intercity wont stop at Potzdamer AFAIK
The next station to the south is Potsdamer Platz, it will only be served by regional RE trains. For ICE and IC the next stop to the south is Südkreuz. The North-South tunnel won't be used by S-bahn trains. And there is only one IR route left in Germany, from Berlin to Chemnitz with only a few trains a day. This IR trains were about to be scraped when the tunnel in may, but they will continue to operate until December.


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Interesting so it's possible now to go by train from Berlin to Tokyo, Rio or Sydney
You can only go to Novosibirsk from Berlin without changing trains, it will only take you 89:47 hours on D 1249!
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Old March 28th, 2006, 08:18 PM   #48
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Old March 29th, 2006, 07:36 AM   #49
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Why use solid steel as the catenary? Is it much more efficient and cleaner looking?
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Old March 29th, 2006, 07:01 PM   #50
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Why use solid steel as the catenary? Is it much more efficient and cleaner looking?
It is easier and cheaper to maintain and repair.
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But in this case it's used because it's just looks better and cleaner in the stations. If they had used overhead wires they would have been much more prominent in the design.

Overhead contuctor rails are not cheaper, then they would be used more widely, also above ground. They were developed for small tunnels were there was no space for overhead wires. In Berlin this is not the case, because it's a new tunnel.
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But in this case it's used because it's just looks better and cleaner in the stations. If they had used overhead wires they would have been much more prominent in the design.

Overhead contuctor rails are not cheaper, then they would be used more widely, also above ground. They were developed for small tunnels were there was no space for overhead wires. In Berlin this is not the case, because it's a new tunnel.
Conductor rails are used extensively in new tunnel installations and even
in some renewals.

All of Madrid's new Metro lines use conductor rails, for example.

The reason is, once again, is lifecycle cost, of which maintenance cost
is huge component.

Maintaining overhead in tunnels is inherently more expensive than
on open track. The costs of overhead failure (service interruptions)
on very expensive and intensively-used/network-critical sections of
tunnel are very high.

This is exactly the same economic argument made for direct fixation
track in tunnels (and elsewhere; the economics for trackbed are different.)

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You're right, but on the station section of the line it has more to do with aesthetics, well that is what the DB claims.

When it comes to haevyrail overhead contuctor rails systems, it has to be said that it's relatively new territory in Germany. This particulair tunnel is the second tunnel in Germany (after the Nürnberg-Ingolstadt high speed line) that is build comform European standards. It means that all trains with Euro current collectors can use the tunnel. This is something different then a metro tunnel or even the channel tunnel, were there are only few types of trains using the tracks.

It's not always an economical decision when it comes to choosing the network specifics, especially when it comes to new systems that hasen't been used widely in a country and that are still devolping.
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Old April 23rd, 2006, 12:29 AM   #56
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strange that no one is talking about this site, pictures from construction day 1 until today:

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new pictures so far:














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Old May 24th, 2006, 12:56 AM   #58
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Wow! Very impessive! One of the best trainstations!
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Old May 24th, 2006, 04:37 PM   #59
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Its a beautiful station. Just a shame that the roof has been saignificantly shortened and that the interior design concept of gmp architects hasnt been realized

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Old May 24th, 2006, 07:32 PM   #60
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Great station - shame it's been spoilt by the inclusion of a McShitburger...
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