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Old May 23rd, 2011, 03:09 PM   #981
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There is both a presence of the Bundespolizei, and Customs officers at Frankfurt HBF. Just like at the airport.
Are there legal ground for German customs officers enforce British immigration practices, laws and regulations?
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 03:14 PM   #982
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Are there legal ground for German customs officers enforce British immigration practices, laws and regulations?
If it is not deemed necessary for British custom officials to check UK bound flights at Frankfurt airport, why would they need to check UK bound trains at HBF?
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 05:07 PM   #983
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If it is not deemed necessary for British custom officials to check UK bound flights at Frankfurt airport, why would they need to check UK bound trains at HBF?
Because there's no passport checks on arrival in St Pancras. There's only the police for random luggage checks.

In Brussels and Paris there's two checks, both local police and British passport checks.
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 05:34 PM   #984
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Because there's no passport checks on arrival in St Pancras. There's only the police for random luggage checks.

In Brussels and Paris there's two checks, both local police and British passport checks.
If the British police wants to check passports on departure in Frankfurt themselves than they only have to travel there...
Or they can check passports on arrival.
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Old May 23rd, 2011, 07:02 PM   #985
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If the British police wants to check passports on departure in Frankfurt themselves than they only have to travel there...
Or they can check passports on arrival.
IT is not that simple. It the British set shop in Frankfurt, they can refuse entry to people there. In such situations, the deported/entry-denied person must be processed by German authorities. On an airplane, that is easy: people are put on a plane and de-planed on an international arrival area. But what will happen in Frankfrut Hbf?

It is not about Germans or other Europeans, but about non-Europeans that the English deem unacceptable, or have expired visas, or are a risk to security, and the Germans must have a look on such people.
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Old May 24th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #986
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On an airplane, that is easy: people are put on a plane and de-planed on an international arrival area. But what will happen in Frankfrut Hbf?
Simple, you deport them back to the UK ("safe third country of origin") with the next train going out, forcing either the UK or Eurostar to foot the bill. It's done all the time with people arriving by airplane from other EU countries. Their nationality is irrelevant - the only thing that counts is which country they arrived from.
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Old May 24th, 2011, 01:31 PM   #987
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Simple, you deport them back to the UK ("safe third country of origin") with the next train going out, forcing either the UK or Eurostar to foot the bill. It's done all the time with people arriving by airplane from other EU countries. Their nationality is irrelevant - the only thing that counts is which country they arrived from.
Sure.

But that would only work if trains German-London don't stop to catch passengers in Bruxelles. Or else international non-Schengen stations are set like airports: controls done always on arrival. But then you'd have to get the British to authorize unprocessed passengers to take a train over UK soil before being checked.

Or you put a check in Calais or Dover and everybody disembarks, a pretty bad solution IMO.
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Old May 24th, 2011, 07:50 PM   #988
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Or the UK could simply join Schengen, of course. ;-)
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Why are we having this discussion in 2011? What a shame...
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Old May 26th, 2011, 12:16 AM   #990
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Why are we having this discussion in 2011? What a shame...
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Old May 27th, 2011, 10:12 PM   #991
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I do not like the new ICX design.

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Old May 28th, 2011, 05:04 AM   #992
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Great input, Isek, really valuable. I especially love it that you don't provide any justifications or reasons at all.
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Old May 28th, 2011, 11:08 AM   #993
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It looks like a fattened ICE3 with a Stola...
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I don't like the shape of windows. I'd rather have trains with more rounded-shaped windows, in slightly smaller sizes. The ICE windows are too big IMO.
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Old May 28th, 2011, 11:41 AM   #995
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the front somehow doesnt look too aerodynamic
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Old May 28th, 2011, 06:00 PM   #996
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AS it is said in the press release, apparently the edgy design helps saving energy (up to a third or so). And this is not a ultra fast high speed train, so you can't really compare it with the Velaro or so.
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Old May 28th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #997
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It does look a bit weird on the render, but that's probably because of the render and not so much the actual design of the train.
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I don't like the shape of windows. I'd rather have trains with more rounded-shaped windows, in slightly smaller sizes. The ICE windows are too big IMO.
So you prefer cars with shotting holes as well? Or would that just be another thing to make trains lesse attractive?
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Old May 30th, 2011, 11:37 AM   #999
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So you prefer cars with shotting holes as well? Or would that just be another thing to make trains lesse attractive?
I think trains like Thalys or Eurostar have a better design. The Italian "Freccia" trains also.

Too big and too squared windows make a train looks like it were a shopping street, with people on display. Or a Big Brother of sorts.
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Old May 31st, 2011, 05:16 PM   #1000
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From moroccan forum

After the new Velaro D, Deutsche Bahn ordered 300 new ICX to replace the remaining ICE 1 and 2

http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news118638.html
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