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Old December 6th, 2011, 01:44 AM   #1101
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With surprising clarity, a referendum in the state of Baden-Würtemberg favors the continuation of the Stuttgart Main Station reconstruction as planned. More than 50 % of voters are against the state's abandoning the project. The green prime minister says he will follow the decision, which is not binding, as not enough voters turned up to vote.

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Germans back new 4,1bln euro train station in referendum

By JUERGEN BAETZ


Voters in one of Germany's wealthiest regions on Sunday solidly backed the 4.1 billion euro ($5.5 billion) construction of a disputed new underground train station in a referendum, official results showed Sunday.


A majority of 58.8 percent of Baden-Wuerttemberg state's voters rejected a motion that would have forced the government to cancel the construction contract with German railway operator Deutsche Bahn AG, the state election commission said.

According to results from all 44 of the state's electoral districts, 41.2 percent were in favor of the motion.

The project to take the state capital Stuttgart's main train station underground has proven hugely controversial. Tens of thousands turned out repeatedly last year to protest the project.

But the project's critics, who have said the infrastructure project is a waste of money and will lead to sizable cost overruns, conceded defeat late Sunday.

"The people have spoken," state governor Winfried Kretschmann -- himself among the project's critics -- told public broadcaster SWR, vowing to respect the outcome.

Supporters of the Stuttgart 21 train station maintain it will free up the city's packed center and help shorten journeys across Europe, for example for trains traveling between Paris, Munich and Vienna. They also said that canceling the contract could have resulted in huge fines of up to euro1.5 billion -- without getting any improvement to the state's infrastructure.

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Deutsche Bahn to order trains for up to 2bln euro

FRANKFURT | Mon Dec 5, 2011

Dec 5 (Reuters) - German rail operator Deutsche Bahn said it signed a framework agreement to order trains worth as much as 2 billion euros ($2.7 billion) from France's Alstom, Spain's CAF and Stadler Pankow GmbH.

Under the agreement, the companies would deliver as many as 400 multi-unit trains for use in regional rail traffic to Deutsche Bahn by the end of 2018.

Deutsche Bahn said the framework contract included a proposal for two different types of train and that a competitive process would determine the specific contract details for the manufacturers.

($1 = 0.7446 euros) (Reporting by Maria Sheahan)
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Old December 6th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #1102
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wow, any idea over which models might have been chosen? I guess for Stadler that would be the FLIRT as the KISS is more suburban-network oriented, what about Alstom and CAF?
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Old December 6th, 2011, 09:27 PM   #1103
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wow, any idea over which models might have been chosen? I guess for Stadler that would be the FLIRT as the KISS is more suburban-network oriented, what about Alstom and CAF?
Alstom has several trains in their Coradia range of products. Most likely candidates are Coradia LINT and Coradia Continental.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 08:09 AM   #1104
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wow, any idea over which models might have been chosen? I guess for Stadler that would be the FLIRT as the KISS is more suburban-network oriented, what about Alstom and CAF?
Well, in Germany Suburban (S-Bahn) operations mostly uses single deck stock, where in regional operations double deck trains are common. That's a bit the opposite from Switzerland really.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 02:46 PM   #1105
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According to the press release that can be found on the websites of DB and Stadler, the framework contract contains two "train concepts", which I think means that Alsthom, Stadler and CAF are going to co-operate in the design and construction in some form.
The choice of the models is up to the administrations ordering the rail service.

The Stadler KISS is going to be used for inter city services as well (Austria's WestBahn), so why shouldn't it be possible to adopt it for regional services? Nevertheless that doesn't seem very likely to happen in Germany as DB signed an 1.8bln order for double decker coaches with Bombardier which contains driving units as well.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 03:05 PM   #1106
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What does this mean? I don't speak german and google translate does not work well when wanting to get into details:

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Die Einzelvergaben an einen der drei Hersteller erfolgen im nachgelagerten Wettbewerb mit den Anforderungen der jeweiligen Verkehrsausschreibung. Die Auslieferung des ersten Fahrzeuges soll 25 Monate nach der Bestellung erfolgen.
Einen der drei means that this is actually a competition between the three companies to deliver one proposal and only one will be given the contract?
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Old December 7th, 2011, 03:40 PM   #1107
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Ok, apparently I was wrong.
It says that the actual orders according to the specifications defined by the orderer of the respective service (= the Bundesland) will be given to one of the three companies through a bidding process, with delivery of the first train set due within 25 months after the order.

edit to clearify: There will be more than one order because the Länder are going to define individual specifications for each service they will tender. So DB might end up buying trains from all three companies.
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Old December 9th, 2011, 01:27 AM   #1108
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Ok, apparently I was wrong.
It says that the actual order according to the specifications defined by the orderer of the respective service (= the Bundesland) will be given to one of the three companies through a bidding process, with delivery of the first train set due within 25 months after the order.
Thanks in that case I'm sure DB will end up buying some very good trains given the good reputation of the three contenders!
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Old December 9th, 2011, 04:54 PM   #1109
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Siemens has major problems delivering the Velaro D to Deutsche Bahn. There are so many delays that the launch of the ICE to London has to be postponed to the end of 2015, that's the best-case scenario. The end of 2016 is more realistic.

Source: Frankfurter Algemeine

Meanwhile Eurostar says that the delivery of their new e320 trainsets (also from Siemens) will not be affected, they will start operating trains from London to Amsterdam starting somewhere in 2014.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 03:43 PM   #1110
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The upgraded highspeed railway line between Munich and Augsburg was opened five days ago. It now has four instead of two tracks and enables higher speeds for the trains.

Length of the Augsburg–Munich line: 61km
Length of the upgraded line: 44km
Line speed: 230 km/h for ICE traffic; 160 km/h for regional and goods traffic
Costs: 700 millions Euro
Construction time: 1998-2011



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Old December 15th, 2011, 03:51 PM   #1111
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Nice project. But I'm rather disappointed at the maximum speeds, I was expecting something on the 320km/h range.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 03:58 PM   #1112
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Nice project. But I'm rather disappointed at the maximum speeds, I was expecting something on the 320km/h range.
It's an upgraded line, not a new line. 230 kph is exactly what you expect for such projects.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 04:17 PM   #1113
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Above 250 km/h would probably be around 2 Billions instead of 700 Millions.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 04:28 PM   #1114
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...and make no sense at all for only 44km length.


The main issue on that stretch was a massive lack of capacity (especially for cargo and commuters between the two cities), not necessarily the travel time itself.


And, aditionally, on the same day in the southwest of both cities the long awaited tilting trains went into service so that the regional trains on the hilly, curvy and unelectrified Allgäubahn (Augsburg to Lindau via Kempten) can now run with up to 160kph and realize massive cuts in travel times (half an hour between Lindau and Augsburg, cutting the travel time to ca. 2 hours). The region is one of the last larger areas without any electrified railways in Germany; DB invested ca. 100m Euros over the last years to upgrate the tracks for tilting trains.
Press release by DB in German.

Both projects together are probably the most important improvement on the railways of Bavarian Swabia over the last 50 years as they cover the two most important lines of the district.
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Old December 15th, 2011, 06:24 PM   #1115
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Any plans to electrify the lines?
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Old December 15th, 2011, 08:25 PM   #1116
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No. They don't even manage to upgrate & electrify the partly single track Munich-Lindau line via Memmingen (which is used by the Munich-Zurich Eurocities) although it's been planned for quite some time now.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 12:14 AM   #1117
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Old December 16th, 2011, 01:54 AM   #1118
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Nice, baut that's apparently at Amserdam Centraal. The train on the left certainly is a Dutch IRM/VIRM "Regiorunner".
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Any plans to electrify the lines?
Yes. Lindau - München will be electrified.
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Any plans to electrify the lines?
No. Although according to this source there is a slightly chance that this project could be realised around the year 2050.
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