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Old February 20th, 2013, 08:14 PM   #1721
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Beautiful new regional train for Lower Saxony, done by ALSTOM.

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Old February 20th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #1722
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Terrible small windows, just as BR 440...
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Old February 20th, 2013, 09:06 PM   #1723
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Not sure where is a beauty here. There are many better looking regional/commuter trains... Vorarlberg S-Bahn would be a great example, our own Basel S-Bahn is pretty good looking as well.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #1724
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So it seems that DB canceled the AZ1360 from Berlin to Narbonne in this summer schedule. I don't understand their logic at all. This thing was booked MONTHS ahead, and now we're left with only one connection from Hamburg (which is already sold out up to June).

If that was supposed to be a joke, it's not funny at all
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Old March 29th, 2013, 02:47 AM   #1725
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Was it lucrative to operate the Autozug from Berlin?

Maybe DB doesn't have rolling stock to keep operating the service from Berlin.

Anyway, it is not really difficult to travel between Berlin and Hamburg, it is quite a breeze
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Old March 29th, 2013, 02:15 PM   #1726
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I don't know - is it lucrative to operate a train with ticket prices oscilating around 1300 EUR one way?

Hamburg was there before, with 2 trains/week, which is the same volume they offer now. Now it's simply impossible to get those bed compartments in a reasonable time frame. For me that means either flying + renting a van to move my stuff or getting an RV trip across whole Europe. Thank you DB!

inb4 2nd class couchettes: these are a joke and nobody wants them. It's a 24h ride for Christ sake.

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Old March 29th, 2013, 03:49 PM   #1727
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1300 euros is VERY expensive (apparently it is even more expensive for the sleepers)

Isn't that enough money to pay for the expenses of driving the car to Spain + 2 night decent hotel stay somewhere along the route?
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Old March 29th, 2013, 04:47 PM   #1728
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1300 euros is VERY expensive (apparently it is even more expensive for the sleepers)

Isn't that enough money to pay for the expenses of driving the car to Spain + 2 night decent hotel stay somewhere along the route?
Why are you against people's freedom to choose to do what they want? Kinda goes against your libertarian spouting.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #1729
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If there is money to be made there, why wouldn't DB invest on keeping the route then?
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Old March 29th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #1730
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Why are you against people's freedom to choose to do what they want? Kinda goes against your libertarian spouting.
Suburbanist is a libertarian???? I think you might have a wrong definition of libertarian.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #1731
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If there is money to be made there, why wouldn't DB invest on keeping the route then?
That's the question I've been asking myself these last 2 months, after they published the new timetables. Oh well, if DB doesn't want the monies, I'm sure RV rentals will happily take it.

inb4 fly: dog > 20kg
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Old March 30th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #1732
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Suburbanist is a libertarian???? I think you might have a wrong definition of libertarian.
I think I was referring to his own description of himself... but I could be mistaken.
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Old March 30th, 2013, 12:24 AM   #1733
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I never defined myself as a libertarian. I'm against social engineering via public transportation and in favor of competition and market mechanisms on delivery public services.
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I never defined myself as a libertarian. I'm against social engineering via public transportation and in favor of competition and market mechanisms on delivery public services.
But when the market leads to results that go against your prejudices you reject them anyway...
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Old March 31st, 2013, 12:23 PM   #1735
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That's the question I've been asking myself these last 2 months, after they published the new timetables. Oh well, if DB doesn't want the monies, I'm sure RV rentals will happily take it.
DB is rather meagrely equipped with staff and rolling stock, which forces them to withdraw some international services.
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Old March 31st, 2013, 01:15 PM   #1736
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Is DB actually making a profit?
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Old March 31st, 2013, 03:55 PM   #1737
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Yes, they do.
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Old March 31st, 2013, 05:37 PM   #1738
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Yes, they do.
DB (operations division) make a profit. The IC/ICE network turns out a profit.

Regional trains make a loss, but they are "contracted services" in the sense the local authorities pay for a level of service as a contracted prestation, then get whatever fare is collected.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 11:41 AM   #1739
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Is DB actually making a profit?
For DB it is a strict obligation, declared by laws, to make a profit. In 2012 its profit was approx. 2 bn euros.

DB has two main deparments (in transporting people):
- DB Fernverkehr for long distance trains (IC, ICE). That kind of service is not subsidiarized so that it must make a profit directly, of the ticket price income.
- DB Regio for regional and local trains (RE, RB, S). That kind of service is ordered and paid by local and regional governments (usually ticket prices do not go to DB Regio but to a transit authority). For DB is onligatory not to accept any contract and order which does not cover the costs.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 08:43 PM   #1740
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Is DB actually making a profit?
About 1.3 billion Euro profit in 2012 (after taxes).

Aside from the state governments paying for regional transport, this does not account for federal and state investment into railway infrastructure though. Federal investment into railway infrastructure for 2012 was 2.5 billion (DB pays the other 40%) for upkeep of the existing network, and about 1.2 billion for new investment. Technically one would have to set these against the above, for a nominal loss of 2.4 billion Euro per year.
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