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Old April 1st, 2013, 08:55 PM   #1741
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Isn't DB paying the state for the use of the network? As I understand it EU rules mandate a strict separation between infrastructure owners and operators.
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Old April 1st, 2013, 08:58 PM   #1742
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It's probably DB Bahn who's paying DB Netz for network usage.
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 12:41 PM   #1743
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All operators pay DB Netz for the use of tracks, platforms and facilities such as cleaning of toilets. When it comes to train paths, DB Netz offers several 'products' (named 'Trassen') that have their own specialities.

The Regionalverkehr, whether operated by DB or not, usually goes for one of the basic options. That means they get a train path at a fair price. Operators like DB Fernverkehr, CityNightLine and Thalys usually buy 'premium paths'. A premium path is more expensive, but trains will get a higher priority.

This explains why you aren't allowed to take Fernverkehr trains with a ticket such as the Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket, as the train path itself is actually more expensive for DB.
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 05:00 PM   #1744
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So... if in German it's "Trassen" and in Italian is "Traccia"... may it be "Traces" in English?

Doesn't sound right...
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 05:18 PM   #1745
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train path(s), maybe?

It's sillon in French.
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Old April 2nd, 2013, 05:44 PM   #1746
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You're right, it is just train paths in English.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 06:36 AM   #1747
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train path(s), maybe?

It's sillon in French.
And surco in Spanish.
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Old April 4th, 2013, 12:19 PM   #1748
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"treinpad" in Dutch. "pad" is Dutch for several words: "path", "toad" (the animal, not relevant in this case) but also "trail".
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Old May 21st, 2013, 08:03 AM   #1749
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This video is probably from Germany so I guess it should be posted here.


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Old May 21st, 2013, 06:04 PM   #1750
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Grube: Germany should be model for Europe's railways


GERMAN Rail (DB) CEO Dr Rüdiger Grube has called on European governments to adopt the structure of Germany's railway industry to foster competition and increase market share.

Unveiling DB's annual Competition Report, Grube argued that with 25% of German passenger services (by train-km) in the hands of private operators, and 28.6% of freight, Germany has fostered a competitive environment for rail services without adopting the full vertical separation prescribed in European legislation.

"Given the positive trend in Germany we have no sympathy with the European Commission's efforts to destroy Europe's integrated railway systems," Grube says. "The successful German model should be an example for other countries to follow that will finally encourage more competition on their railways."

DB says that rail's competitive position is under threat from the lack of security in future infrastructure funding; the lengthy certification process for new rolling stock, which has become a significant risk for operators in Germany; and the lack of progress in tackling what it terms "distortions in intra-European competition" in opening passenger markets.


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Old May 21st, 2013, 08:26 PM   #1751
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In the Netherlands, a company called WC-Eend (a brand of toilet cleanser) once used the slogan "Wij van WC-Eend adviseren WC-Eend" ("Us at WC-Eend recommend you to use WC-Eend"). That slogan applies to Grube's statement just fine. ;-)
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 08:33 AM   #1752
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But you can't deny that given the plethora of railway companies Germany is one of the few European countries where competition on the rail network actually seems to work (and not just on a few secondary lines).
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 08:48 AM   #1753
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Up to a point, that is true. However, the competition works more on tendering of schedule services (where competition is actually fierce) than on allocation of slots for domestic long-distance services (something like Italo (NTV) does in Italy)
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 09:10 AM   #1754
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Competition in Fernverkehr does seem to work in Germany, indeed, for example with InterConnex or HKX. However, there have been several occassions on which DB has been the subject on an antitrust investigation.

What's most important to me is that capacity allocation and traffic management are completely separated from any operator. Cooperation is fine (and should be there), but any possibility of corruption or giving priority to its own company should be avoided. I don't care how the infrastructure maintenance is laid out - in France that job is done by SNCF Infra!
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 12:24 PM   #1755
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What's most important to me is that capacity allocation and traffic management are completely separated from any operator. Cooperation is fine (and should be there), but any possibility of corruption or giving priority to its own company should be avoided. I don't care how the infrastructure maintenance is laid out - in France that job is done by SNCF Infra!
Isn´t the operator of the german railways a company of the DB holding group? Then if it is true how can you asure than they don´t favour other DB companies?
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 01:48 PM   #1756
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Britain has best railway, says new CILT president


The European Commission reckons Britain has the best railway in Europe and is urging other member states to follow and adapt to the UK rail system, according to Jim Steer, the new president of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport.

The statement came during Steer’s speech at the president’s inauguration lunch in London, where he set out his agenda for the next twelve months.

As well as citing his presidential priorities for the next year, he announced the EU is encouraging other members to adapt the British example in managing railways as it believes it is the best in the continent.


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Old May 22nd, 2013, 02:16 PM   #1757
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The European Commission reckons Britain has the best railway in Europe and is urging other member states to follow and adapt to the UK rail system, according to Jim Steer, the new president of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport.

The statement came during Steer’s speech at the president’s inauguration lunch in London, where he set out his agenda for the next twelve months.

As well as citing his presidential priorities for the next year, he announced the EU is encouraging other members to adapt the British example in managing railways as it believes it is the best in the continent.


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They don't travel by train do they? I do not see how the UK has a better rail system than Germany or Austria, for example.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 02:33 PM   #1758
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No, I know what you mean.

I think the emphasis of Jim Steer had been on the political structure of the UK rail system with regards to the separation of infrastructure management from train operations.

This has been a model for success in the UK, certainly for freight operations and also for some passenger operations, although it's also quite true that many passenger trains in the UK are obviously run by companies where bean counters are in control, so they can have awful seat configurations and are very often too short in length and therefore overcrowded.
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They don't travel by train do they? I do not see how the UK has a better rail system than Germany or Austria, for example.
People often criticize UK rail system without much reason. UK operates a denser network that is more fragile by means of design of the early 1800s (London-centric, lack of electrification etc)

However, these things are not a by-product of the institutional structure of the rail system in UK as of now, but a legacy of decades past. Britain had coal, and plenty of it, and no neighbor casting its eyes over it, so it never faced the urgency to electrify that Switzerland or Germany did.

Its rail infrastructure were also not severely damaged during WW2, to the point where they had to reconstruct (and indirectly upgrade) many bridges, stations and what else in Germany.

What people often complain about are prices, but that is more anecdotal these days: last-minute ICE fares are very expensive, as are walk-up fares in UK.

Last-minute travel in Germany that involves 2 ICEs, one regional train and one private-operated trains is costly.

As for the overall pricing scheme, regional travel is cheaper in Germany than in UK, but that is a result of public policy on subsidization of local commuter train networks in many of the länder.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 04:33 PM   #1760
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They don't travel by train do they? I do not see how the UK has a better rail system than Germany or Austria, for example.
I would say that in some respects the UK system is better than the German one, in others not.
For a country with hardly any dedicated high speed the system is reasonable fast, but it could be a bit better integrated.
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