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Old June 21st, 2013, 08:43 PM   #1821
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 03:40 AM   #1822
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Time travel reduction poster from the 1930s (seen on the Deutsche Technikmuseum Berlin)

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It probably takes now more than 12h to reach Kaliningrad and it is a pity not much further improvement was done on travel times to Hamburg last 70 years
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 03:44 AM   #1823
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The Deutsches Technikmuseum Berlin has a lot of old rolling stock on exhibition there, on two former loco sheds. I spent a whole day at the museum (it covers many other subjects besides trains), but couldn't stay that long in the shed because it was extremely hot there.

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Old July 2nd, 2013, 04:59 AM   #1824
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The garden of the museum is great for railfans... you're in the middle of a wood, with ghost tracks, the squeacking U1 and U2 trains just beside it, the N-S mainline trains on the run, and U7 rumbling underground (you can even see it down a manhole in the corner of the museum).

For other ghost tracks in the woods, check out the Schöneberger Südgelände by Priesterweg station (S2-S25).

Hamburg is now more than half an hour nearer to Berlin, and 45' if you consider Spandau; I would call that an improvement...
Consider that the shorter the overall time, the harder to reach new marginal gains. The linear distance between them is 250 km, even a HSL perfectly straight from center to center would offer you just 30' less than today's time. Considering you have full grown cities around those centers, it's difficult to achieve a way shorter time.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 12:15 PM   #1825
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It probably takes now more than 12h to reach Kaliningrad and it is a pity not much further improvement was done on travel times to Hamburg last 70 years
Put it that way - it took huge efforts and investments post-1989 to reach these standards again in the case of Hamburg. In the case of Cologne, only the Berlin-Hannover HSL manages to knock off some of the time of the 1930s standard. And there are still some other major intercity connections where the 1930s standard has not been reached again yet, the most embarrasing being Berlin-Dresden, where speeds have deteriorated post-reunification and the track improvement is being delayed since 23 years. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresdner_Bahn in German.
As for Berlin-Kaliningrad, I did it one time in the 1990s when there was still a direct sleeper compartment and I remember leaving Lichtenberg around 21 h and arriving in Kaliningrad around noon the next day.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 01:40 PM   #1826
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It probably takes now more than 12h to reach Kaliningrad
I am afraid there's no direct connection to Kaliningrad. It takes 5h46m to get from Berlin to Tczew (via Poznań and Bydgoszcz).
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I am afraid there's no direct connection to Kaliningrad. It takes 5h46m to get from Berlin to Tczew (via Poznań and Bydgoszcz).
From 2003 to 2012 there was an direct overnight service. Left Berlin-Lichtenberg 21:45 arriving 14:01 next day in Kaliningrad. It was quite unexpectiblyt removed this year due to a massive hike in track usage tariffs. It was a attached to the Berlin-Kiev train which also was ditched.

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Old July 2nd, 2013, 07:12 PM   #1828
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It probably takes now more than 12h to reach Kaliningrad and it is a pity not much further improvement was done on travel times to Hamburg last 70 years
I'd say that on average travel from anywhere in Berlin to anywhere in Hamburg is probably twice as fast now then it was 70 years ago...
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Old August 1st, 2013, 07:30 PM   #1832
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Yesterday I had to change trains at Hamburg-Harburg. I waited 30 minutes and saw 12 (!) heavy freight trains passing by (and lots of passenger trains, of course). Mostly containers but also steel, iron ore/coal and cars. It was in the middle of the day. Incredible amount of freight trains.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 08:05 PM   #1833
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Yesterday I had to change trains at Hamburg-Harburg. I waited 30 minutes and saw 12 (!) heavy freight trains passing by (and lots of passenger trains, of course). Mostly containers but also steel, iron ore/coal and cars. It was in the middle of the day. Incredible amount of freight trains.
How strange for a port city
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How strange for a port city
The port of Rotterdam, which is a lot larger than that of Hamburg, sees far less freight trains (mostly because of the Rhine river inland transports by ship). I was surprised by the frequency. Hamburg must have one of the highest modal split for freight by rail of all larger ports.
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The port of Rotterdam, which is a lot larger than that of Hamburg, sees far less freight trains (mostly because of the Rhine river inland transports by ship). I was surprised by the frequency. Hamburg must have one of the highest modal split for freight by rail of all larger ports.
That´s the reason they plan to build additional tracks between Hannover and Hamburg. Latest thing to hear from was the idea to build a freight-line like Betuwe-line instead of HSL for passengers.

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Old August 3rd, 2013, 12:35 AM   #1836
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(mostly because of the Rhine river inland transports by ship).
That exactly is the explanation. Rotterdam (and Antwerp) are directly connected with the industrial centres of the Blue Banana via the Rhine whereas up the Elbe there's, well, only farmland and the occasional town.
Port of Hamburg's hinterland (meaning: the industrial centres of West Germany) indeed have to be connected by rail.
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DB signs contract for Škoda Transportation push-pull trains

05 Aug 2013

GERMANY: Deutsche Bahn signed a €110m contract for Škoda Transportation to supply six double-deck push-pull trainsets on August 5.

The trainsets are to be used on regional services linking Nürnberg, Ingolstadt and München which DB Regio is to operate on behalf of the Land of Bayern for 12 years from December 2016. This includes operation at up to 190 km/h on the Nürnburg - Ingolstadt high speed line.

Each trainset will comprise five double-deck intermediate coaches and a double-deck driving car, with a Type 109E locomotive. The trainsets will have 705 seats in two classes, with power sockets, wi-fi and pressure-tight bodies for passenger comfort when passing trains running at up to 300 km/h on the high speed line.

The contract 'confirms that Škoda Transportation can be ranked among the biggest world producers of rolling stock', said TomᚠKrsek, Chairman of the Škoda Transportation board. 'The conclusion of this contract is proof of the high quality and competitive ability of our rolling stock. We will supply a modern train with top technical equipment to Germany. The reference from the giant Deutsche Bahn opens the door to the entire world.'

DB Chief Executive Rüdiger Grube said Škoda Transportation's entry to the German market would help to increase competition, and the supplier's long history in the rail sector meant DB was confident that it would fulfil expectations.

Impression of push-pull trainset for DB Regio (Image: Skoda Transportation)






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Old August 6th, 2013, 12:58 AM   #1838
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Good call! Pretty sure that Skoda locos will operate just fine. Why limit the service to 190 km/h though and not to the locos Vmax?
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good news for fair european competition enviroment....
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Another news, not so good. ICE 3 trains will continue to be short in stock and to operate at less than planned capacity. Inspection intervals were shortened a few years back after an accident. Now DB wants to make the vehicles safer, but the Federal Railways Office does not approve of the upgrade, as they need to see that the changes will not impair other safety features of the trains. See in German http://dmm.travel/news/artikel/lesen...n-ice-3-52842/
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