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Old December 16th, 2013, 10:13 PM   #1961
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Old December 16th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #1962
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Old December 16th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #1963
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Now, I have been there myself. I can tell you that the new stations are indeed great. Services, however, are late and crowded and leave a lot to be desired.
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Old December 16th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #1964
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Is this entrance, as far I understood, was built in 30s for exposition?
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Old December 18th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #1965
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Yes, it's the entrance of the old underground trade fair which was demolished in 2005.
The hall was buildt by Carl Crämer in 1924/25 and was 98 x 45 metres large, hosting 175 exhibitors. The entrance is a design by Otto Droge.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untergrundmessehaus
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Old December 19th, 2013, 01:19 PM   #1966
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Old December 19th, 2013, 10:50 PM   #1967
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funny those fancy stations in downtown leipzig, then you get out to markkleeberg and the platforms look like you want to puke just to add a little color. a bigger contrast couldn't be imagined.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 01:04 AM   #1968
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The platforms look very small for today's standards, how long are they?
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Old December 20th, 2013, 01:25 AM   #1969
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AFAIK they are for regional services only, thus no need to have 400 meter platforms.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 01:38 AM   #1970
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The platforms look very small for today's standards, how long are they?
140 metres
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Old December 20th, 2013, 01:42 AM   #1971
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Hauptbahnhof does have longer platforms, a little over 200m. That's even enough for a single ICE T set.
The platforms appear shorter than they actually are due to the two staircases reaching into the halls from both sides of the halls.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 02:14 AM   #1972
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Also, they look a lot shorter because the escalators are completely within the lenght of the station (whops, thun already said that).

I remember the plan was to send some IC/ICEs down there, right? Of course calling just at Hbf.



Partially related to Leipzig node, I need some help to understand the future setup of the München - Berlin main line. Today ICEs follow the old (beautiful but extremely slow and boring) line over Lichtenfels, Saalfeld and Jena, then they reach Leipzig. Leipzig - Berlin is already at higher standard.
What is being built is a NBS up to Erfurt, which happen to lie much west of Leipzig, and then this line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt%...-speed_railway

I see that that NBS will be built up to Leipzig, but I understand that ICEs passing through Erfurt will not reach Leipzig anymore; so I fail to understand what route will be followed between Erfurt and Lutherstadt Wittenberg.
Will all services call at Halle Hbf, then be routed on the Anhalter Bahn?
Then in Bitterfeld they would join the current path from Leipzig, I guess.
So at Abzw. Planena you choose between Leipzig Hbf and Halle-Berlin, am I right?


On a completely unrelated topic, I'm looking for info about the solution used on the Berlin - Hamburg ABS, with 230 km/h traffic running through local stations. I remember they used some sort of barriers to avoid people getting close to tracks while they wait, where can I find more info/pics about this solution?
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Old December 20th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #1973
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at present there are very occasional ic's in the tunnel, i believe on sunday mornings or such. in the long run, erfurt-dresden ice's might be diverted into the tunnel, but there is work to be done before that becomes a possibility.
couldn't find any website about the details, but to my knowledge the original plan to divert all traffic munich-berlin through halle has long been abandoned. plans now foresee to let trains run alternatingly through halle (along the route you describe) and leipzig, the latter being only a few minutes longer, despite having to reverse in leipzig hbf. there are already some trains that run via halle and then follow the slow route via jena to bavaria.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 08:17 PM   #1974
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Intercity services through the tunnel are a temporary solution for the next two years. By 2015 the new track layout of the station approach will be finished along with the high speed line from Erfurt which means that all intercity services fit again in the ground level terminus station.
Furthermore there will be one more regional service per hour through the tunnel from 2015 onwards as well. This service will make the 5-min headway of regional services in the tunnel complete and closes the one remaining gap in that pattern which allows Intercity services there today.
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A 2008 presentation about mixed traffic on NBS:
http://www.uic.org/apps/presentation/weigand.pdf

@page 12, there's a Nürnberg - Erfurt graphic timetable study. If I am reading it correctly, the freight capacity of the line will be limited to 3 trains/h because they don't want freight trains to cross oncoming passenger traffic inside tunnels.
Is this confirmed?
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An end has come to the drama surrounding the Velaro D: the EBA has given approval for revenue service operation of the first 4 trains.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 12:24 AM   #1978
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A 2008 presentation about mixed traffic on NBS:
http://www.uic.org/apps/presentation/weigand.pdf

@page 12, there's a Nürnberg - Erfurt graphic timetable study. If I am reading it correctly, the freight capacity of the line will be limited to 3 trains/h because they don't want freight trains to cross oncoming passenger traffic inside tunnels.
Is this confirmed?
As far I know there will initially be only one ICE per hour per direction, so if it wasn't for the tunnel, there would be plenty of capacity.

The single tube tunnels with the medium-high grades (20 per mil as far I remember) aren't ideal for freight trains. And if there is only one ICE per hour, plus maybe something to Coburg, I wonder if this line has been planned wisely...
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 02:38 AM   #1979
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As far I know there will initially be only one ICE per hour per direction, so if it wasn't for the tunnel, there would be plenty of capacity.

The single tube tunnels with the medium-high grades (20 per mil as far I remember) aren't ideal for freight trains. And if there is only one ICE per hour, plus maybe something to Coburg, I wonder if this line has been planned wisely...
There will be more passenger traffic, one and a half train-pairs per hour initially and probably two and a half or even three later.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 05:53 AM   #1980
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still it is an enormous waste of money that could have been spent more worthwile on other routes.
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