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Old February 23rd, 2007, 12:13 AM   #221
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nice work is that Germany?
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 01:56 AM   #222
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I think this are the first Dutch trains in this topic
The clue is in his post

Not the brightest, your lot...

Probably explains the three writers recently flinging themselves in front of District Line trains... winners of the Darwin awards, one and all!
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 06:15 AM   #223
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Yay for clean trains. Boo for dirty, tagged ones.
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 07:00 AM   #224
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In the graph-art argument, I can see both sides having valid arguments. However, I am of the opinion that graffiti comes in two categories. One is destructive: covering windows or somehow hindering the usefulness of the train. Or it can be ugly: poorly or cheaply done, carelessly done, or done with little thought or talent (subjective, I know). Destructive or ugly graph-art undoubtedly devalues the property on which it is painted. On the other hand, there is graffiti which is beautiful, colorful, thought-provoking, and generally adds to the train or setting rather than detracting from it. While this latter form is generally rarer, I feel it should be more accepted. If you see a mural on an inner city wall that looks like graffiti, you might consider it that, but it might also be a community-sponsored project to beautify a building. Granted, transit owners will never sponsor such things, but I think those that are harsh on these artists might have a closed mind when it comes to art, or perhaps they do not appreciate art at all - and I say this at the risk of sounding simplistic. If you have personally been harmed by graffiti, I won't argue with your experience and can appreciate your perspective. However, in my life, I have enjoyed good graffiti, whether in pictures of tagged trains or city walls. That has been my experience and it has added to my life, even if in a small way.

And that's my 2 cents...


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Old February 23rd, 2007, 07:07 AM   #225
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Well then the only way to stop you is to arrest you and throw you in jail where you belong, you scum.
Very mature of you, JL. I'm sure your life is perfect, spotless and clean, not like scummy artists...

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Old February 23rd, 2007, 07:09 AM   #226
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In the graph-art argument, I can see both sides having valid arguments. However, I am of the opinion that graffiti comes in two categories. One is destructive: covering windows or somehow hindering the usefulness of the train. Or it can be ugly: poorly or cheaply done, carelessly done, or done with little though or talent (subjective, I know). Destructive or ugly graph-art undoubtedly devalues the property on which it is painted. On the other hand, there is graffiti which is beautiful, colorful, thought-provoking, and generally adds to the train or setting rather than detracting from it. While this latter form is generally rarer, I feel it should be more accepted. If you see a mural on an inner city wall that looks like graffiti, you might consider it that, but it might also be a community-sponsored project to beautify a building. Granted, transit owners will never sponsor such things, but I think those that are harsh on these artists might have a closed mind when it comes to art, or perhaps they do not appreciate art at all - and I say this at the risk of sounding simplistic. If you have personally been harmed by graffiti, I won't argue with your experience and can appreciate your perspective. However, in my life, I have enjoyed good graffiti, whether in pictures of tagged trains or city walls. That has been my experience and it has added to my life, even if in a small way.

And that's my 2 cents...

As a graf writer I prefer seeing some nice pieces on the outsides of trains whether they're done legally or not. That's better compared to seeing hundred of tags and scratches on the insides of trains.

There are a few train companies that promote graffiti or even sponsor legal art train such as the ones of Cape Town or Sao Paulo. Cape Town on the other hand had a serious problem with graffiti so the train company just let it have them.

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Old February 23rd, 2007, 07:59 AM   #227
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Well said Wanch and chromebowler
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Old February 24th, 2007, 04:50 AM   #228
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I also need to explain something to the people who dont agree with graff.When it first exploded in NYC the reason it was doing this was becuase kids including a friend of mine were experincing a rough time who lived during that time said while his father had left him and his mother was living off crack while all of his other brothers and sister had either left or had died the only way to escape it all was to create art and he did this and he sold his paintings to people in SOHO when it was the first hip area where the artists all hung out and he made money off it as well as other people did today most of it is disgusting scratches and acid drops and he has seen this happen and the public arent intrested in graffiti paintings anymore becuase there are too many toys that sums up the problems of graff in my view as well as others
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Old February 24th, 2007, 01:48 PM   #229
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...becuase kids including a friend of mine were experincing a rough time who lived during that time said while his father had left him and his mother was living off crack while all of his other brothers and sister had either left or had died the only way to escape it all was to create art...
...And this explains why you do it because?...

Are you the child of an absent father, crackhead mother, with dead or runaway siblings too?

I fully respect the origins of Hip-hop culture and graffiti in the late 1970's, and yes back then it was ghetto kids making a statement, and yes it was a real art movement back then... But the fact is 99% of graffiti writers today are Middle-class White kids in denial about being Middle-class and White trying to ape 1979 New York. It's sad.
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Old February 24th, 2007, 03:40 PM   #230
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Atlanta - Up to 21 years in prison for graffiti

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/sha...12.134959.html

Two arrested for painting graffiti on interstate signs
By Mike Morris

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 02/12/07 01:08 PM

Officials with the state Department of Transportation said Brannon Charles Boyle, 20, of Atlanta, and Michael Padgett, 22, of Smyrna, face felony charges in connection with the Oct. 10, 2006 vandalism of the exit signs for the Peachtree and Pine street exits. Boyle is also charged with a similar graffiti incident on the I-85 southbound exit sign to I-285 westbound in DeKalb County, said DOT spokesman David Spear.

Boyle is charged with one count each of 1st- and 2nd-degree criminal damage to property, one count of interference with government property, as well as a misdemeanor drug charge. Padgett is charged with 1st-degree criminal damage to property and interference with government property.

Spear said Boyle could be sentenced to up to 21 years in prison if convicted, while Padgett faces a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison if convicted.

Spear said that the state spends more than $150,000 annually to repair and replace road signs defaced by graffiti.
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Old February 24th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #231
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I do it for the art and the nostolgic appeal I dont tag trains never never will I think see that for kids who just want to destroy property.
Greg Cristian tese articles that you keep posting baiscally show toys and they ruin this art by doing it all.They go over good shit all the time......
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Old April 11th, 2007, 04:23 PM   #232
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...And this explains why you do it because?...

Are you the child of an absent father, crackhead mother, with dead or runaway siblings too?

I fully respect the origins of Hip-hop culture and graffiti in the late 1970's, and yes back then it was ghetto kids making a statement, and yes it was a real art movement back then... But the fact is 99% of graffiti writers today are Middle-class White kids in denial about being Middle-class and White trying to ape 1979 New York. It's sad.
Actaully Tubeman my dad recentley died and my mom and dad were getting a divorce when I posted here.I hope next time you know that it is an escape for me.I dont just do graffiti I also do plenty of other art as well.Graffiti is just one of my favorite types of art.I work to pay for my paint just to let you know as well.
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Old April 11th, 2007, 07:25 PM   #233
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Actaully Tubeman my dad recentley died and my mom and dad were getting a divorce when I posted here.I hope next time you know that it is an escape for me.I dont just do graffiti I also do plenty of other art as well.Graffiti is just one of my favorite types of art.I work to pay for my paint just to let you know as well.
You have my deepest sympathies, but that's no excuse for vandalising what doesn't belong to you. Nobody criticises graffiti per se, they criticise the fact its imposed on the users of public transport whether they like it or not and it costs millions to remove. Put a board up in your back garden or paint your bedroom wall by all means, but steer clear of what doesn't below to you.

When my Mum died I went on my graffiti rampage for a couple of years and got hooked on solvents (spray paint as it happens), but the net result was a criminal record and several near-death experiences. I'm saying learn from my experiences.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 04:31 AM   #234
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Thank you Tubeman Im relizing the time your sent away for graffiti crimes so Ive decided slowly to move away from illegal walls to doing pieces legally and asking the owner o the business besides they look better when there done legally anyway.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 02:38 PM   #235
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No London Underground trains are allowed to run with pieces or painted / pen tags on them. The windows are generally etched heavily though.

All of the linesides are now painted a neutral dark brown colour too, so the Tube is pretty much graffiti-free nowadays.
I remeber a few years ago on the victoria line, I think it was Highbury and Islington station southbound, on boxing day, some people must have managed to get in there on xmas day or the night before and spray the 'WHOLE' station. There was graffiti everywhere big art pieces, although hurridly done.

It was all removed by the next day I think.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 03:29 PM   #236
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http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Lea...Paint_Graffiti

Vandal Gets 90 Days For Spray-Paint Graffiti

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Byline: By Stephen T. Watson - News Staff Reporter

A graffiti vandal suspected of defacing nearly 100 buildings in Buffalo was sentenced Monday to 90 days in jail.

Eric P. Osborne, 23, also was ordered by State Supreme Court Justice Penny M. Wolfgang to serve five years of probation, pay $360 in restitution and spend 40 hours removing graffiti, the Erie County District Attorney's office reported.

The former Buffalo State College student, who was known for his graffiti signature "Meth," had pleaded guilty July 28 to felony criminal mischief in the closely watched case.

"I think the court's message got through loud and clear that this is something that isn't going to be tolerated," District Attorney Frank J. Clark said Monday. Deputy District Attorney Molly Musarra prosecuted the case.

Osborne, a resident of Lima in Livingston County, was charged for his role in spray-painting the Ferguson Electric Construction Co.'s Ellicott Street building Jan. 30. He was caught at the site with five cans of spray paint.

Area business owners and community leaders applauded Osborne's arrest.

Christopher A. Fargo, also 23, was arrested with Osborne and earlier pleaded guilty to a felony criminal mischief charge. He was sentenced in July to probation and time served.

Osborne and Fargo are the first two people in the area in recent memory to plead guilty to felonies for vandalism, prosecutors have said.

Clark refused to plea bargain with the pair, and he promised Monday to continue to take a tough line with graffiti vandals.

Osborne's attorney said the sentence was too harsh considering his client's lack of a criminal record, the strong support Osborne had from friends and acquaintances and his willingness to make financial amends.

Also, the Livingston County probation department recommended against further jail time in its presentencing investigation, Osborne's attorney, Frank M. Bogulski said.

Osborne, who works full time for a landscaping company in Lima, plans to finish college at a Rochester-area school.

He did not admit to marring all of the "Meth"-tagged buildings, Bogulski noted.

"He's a responsible young man [who's] about to have a college degree. He wants to serve his sentence and move on and put this behind him," the lawyer said.
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I remeber a few years ago on the victoria line, I think it was Highbury and Islington station southbound, on boxing day, some people must have managed to get in there on xmas day or the night before and spray the 'WHOLE' station. There was graffiti everywhere big art pieces, although hurridly done.

It was all removed by the next day I think.
As weird as it sounds 3 hours after making this post, the person i was with on that day randomly sends me the image from a flickr.

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Old April 18th, 2007, 04:04 PM   #238
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Im sorry but the shape of the tube tunnels makes that tag look really cool.
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 12:46 AM   #239
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Most effective way to prevent graffiti is to do what Singapore does.

Cane the people who are responsible.
Just to shed some light on how canning is done.
First the poor fellar will be tie arms above head with buttocks exposed (no cloth to cover whatsoever).
Then a trained person who specialises in caning to inflict most effective and consistent damage will whack him with the cane.
The cane is soaked in special chemical to prevent it from splitting so that no energy is lost.
Immediately after the caning, a doctor will check the fellar's heart rate to see if he can take another blow. (number of strokes is determined by the judge)

And, the caning will leave a lifelong scar on the victim.

Quiet cruel but it gets things done
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Old April 23rd, 2007, 04:24 AM   #240
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Bastard! You beat me to it, sort of....

WANCH.... here's a challenge for ya. Every time someone's said their trains don't get graffiti'd, you've got a picture to prove 'em wrong.

But I'll bet you haven't got any of Singapore's MRT trains with graffiti on 'em.

..... sits and waits.....
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