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Old September 3rd, 2010, 12:04 AM   #381
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The graffiti problem in Belgium can almost be compared to the graffiti problem in Italy.

Almost.
Atleast our metro and trams are graffiti free and also our streets are not so cladded as the Italian ones... Well actually I've only been in Rome so i can only speak of one city...
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 12:06 AM   #382
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I think they should treat tagged cars as unsuitable for services, and so tagged stations. They shall remain closed and emergency cleaning teams should be deployed overnight if needed. Graffiti shall not be tolerated, regardless of the any bullshit argument about "the youth don't having a voice".
I would like to see this rule addapted in Belgium and have no trains for a whole week or so...
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 12:45 AM   #383
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In Belgium It's a serious problem. I'd say 50% of all rolling stock is cladded.

This pic is actually from Austria, not Belgium. Btw. the "Hitlerjugend" piece is horrible indeed.
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 01:35 AM   #384
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This pic is actually from Austria, not Belgium. Btw. the "Hitlerjugend" piece is horrible indeed.
Sure??? I took it from a site of Belgian graffiti trains...
Mayby someone just posted it wrong on that site then...
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Old September 5th, 2010, 03:46 AM   #385
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No graffiti anywhere in Beijing or Tianjin, well except for the random telephone numbers scribbled everywhere for every possible thing or service
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Old September 5th, 2010, 02:50 PM   #386
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No, actually, it seems the case that most of the eastern US cities have a low tolerance for graffitti.

NYC & Philly were the worst, but NYC really cleaned it up. Boston never seemed as bad.

When public budgets are very tight everywhere across the US as they are now, cleaning up graffitti gets a lower priority.

Worst of all though is how transit has turned into fast food on wheels, with all the resultant mess & inconvieience.
That's because this style of graffiti art developed in both Philly and NY. I wouldn't be surprised the transit systems of both cities suffered the most damage compared to other US cities.
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Old September 5th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #387
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No graffiti anywhere in Beijing or Tianjin, well except for the random telephone numbers scribbled everywhere for every possible thing or service
As mentioned in the book Graffiti Asia, graffiti activity in Mainland China happens in cities near HK. That means you will find this kind of graffiti art in Chinese cities say Shenzhen or Guangzhou. The closer the city is to Beijing the less graffiti there is. Beijing on the other hand has some NY style graffiti art but mostly legal.

The farthest Chinese cities from HK with an active graf culture would be Shanghai and Wuhan. There are formidable scenes in these cities though most graffiti in Shanghai are mostly done by foreign tourists.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 03:52 AM   #388
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you should come and hit north China up!
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Old October 7th, 2010, 11:12 PM   #389
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That Hitler graffiti is disturbing! Really bad.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 01:59 PM   #390
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New York Daily News

It’s a slap in deface on trains: MTA, cops cut subway graffiti by 46%

BY Pete Donohue

Police patrols and Transit surveillance teams have slashed the number of subway graffiti attacks nearly in half, officials told the Daily News.

Between January and May 2007, vandals trespassing in dark subway tunnels and railyards ringed with razor wire carried out 98 major spray-paint “hits.”

They have managed just 53 graffiti raids this year – a 46% drop – according to NYC Transit statistics.

“The word is getting out,” NYC Transit Vice President Vincent DeMarino said. “It’s not so easy in New York anymore. You have a good chance of getting caught.”

After a dramatic spike in vandalism, NYC Transit launched the “Eagle Team,” a surveillance outfit comprising mostly retired police detectives and supervisors, two years ago.

The agency also struck a new arrangement with city police: The agency would focus on the far-flung railyards while NYPD squads would target tracks between stations, where some trains are parked overnight.

With increased cooperation and manpower, they have been able to cover more ground and get results, DeMarino said.

The biggest catch in recent years: Danielle Bremner and Jim Clay Harper, dubbed the Bonnie and Clyde of the spray-painting subculture. The pair has defaced trains and buildings from New York to Boston to Paris since 2005, prosecutors have said. They were arrested after returning to the U.S. last year.

Bremner, 27, is slated for release from Rikers Island at the end of the month after a three-month stint behind bars.

A judge also ordered her to pay $10,000 in restitution. Harper’s case is pending.

Vandals frequently take photographs of their murals or scrawls and post them on the Internet.

A major graffiti hit takes more than three hours to remove, NYC Transit’s Pat Romano said. Removal costs, which totaled $350,000 in 2007, were down to $125,000 last year, Romano added.

The agency doesn’t put vandalized trains in service until the exteriors are cleaned.

The damage from all types of graffiti, including scratching and etching on subway train windows, can cost the agency about $2 million, Romano said.

Looking to deter scratchiti vandals and protect train windows from damage, NYC Transit in December and January conducted a one-train pilot program with some windows covered with a semi-opaque advertisement for Coke.

Officials determined it would be too costly to use the strategy systemwide, agency spokesman Paul Fleuranges said. Police also raised safety concerns because officers on the platform couldn’t see as clearly into cars.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 02:05 PM   #391
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London Evening Standard

Graffiti gang face prison for three years of rail vandalism

Paul Cheston, Courts Correspondent
03.04.09

Four graffiti vandals were facing jail this afternoon for causing more than £134,000 damage to trains in a three-year campaign.

The gang not only wrecked trains and depots but then gloried in their destruction by filming themselves and their distinctive “tags” or signatures.

To show their contempt for the travelling public whose journeys they disrupted, they would leave “messages” to commuters and smiley-face logos.

One message on the side of a train read: “Sorry if this has caused your journey a delay.”

Darren Leung-Kwok, 19, Fahad Ali, 18, and Craig Norton, 18 — all of Croydon — and 19-year-old Richard Wilson of Coulsdon pleaded guilty to conspiring to commit criminal damage between April 2005 and April last year and were being sentenced at Southwark crown court.

British Transport Police Graffiti Unit Pc Ian Garden said they were arrested after an investigation into a graffiti gang calling themselves the HMS crew.

The defendants could be identified by their distinctive “tags”: Leung-Kwok was associated with the tags “Range” and “HMS Crew”, Ali was known as “dyva”, “dyver”, “aved” and “HMS”, Wilson was “two time”, “two”, “2 time”, “kaps”, “nuta”, “nuts” and “HMS crew” and Norton was “sends” and “HMS crew”.

Pc Garden said: “This group was involved in a sustained campaign to commit criminal damage. Over a three-year period they targeted trains running on the Victoria to Croydon and London Bridge to Croydon lines by scrawling tags both outside and inside the carriages.

“In one incident, Leung-Kwok is caught on CCTV wearing a T-shirt with his name emblazoned on the front. They broke into train depots and risked their lives by trespassing on the tracks to spray their tags on trains and would wait at stations to film the damage.”

Pc Garden said that although the vandals derived some sort of kudos from tagging, the damage created huge disruption for commuters.

“Numerous carriages and trains have had to be taken out of service to be cleaned and repaired after this group wreaked havoc,” Pc Garden said.

“In a show of what can only be described as utter contempt for the travelling public, the group would often scrawl messages to commuters on the outside of trains. The sentencing today will no doubt bring a sigh of relief to those members of the public who had their journeys blighted by this group.

“BTP will seek out those individuals or groups who are determined to commit criminal damage on the railways and cause disruption to services.”
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Old October 8th, 2010, 02:06 PM   #392
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Singapore extends jail term for Swiss graffiti man

SINGAPORE | Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:54pm EDT

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - A Singapore court on Wednesday extended a jail term for a Swiss man by two months to seven and maintained an earlier ruling that he receives three strokes of the cane for trespassing and spray-painting graffiti on a train.

The harsher sentence, which reinforced the city-state's low tolerance for even minor crimes, would deter future copycat offenders, Singapore Appeals Court's Judge V.K. Rajah said in the ruling.

"It is conduct which is entirely unacceptable in Singapore, regardless of the artistic merit (or lack thereof) of the graffiti," the judge said in a written statement.

In June, Oliver Fricker, 32, was sentenced to three strokes of a rattan cane and five months in prison after he pleaded guilty to breaking into a train depot in May and spray-painting the graffiti across two carriages.

Both prosecutors and Fricker appealed the ruling.

The Court of Appeal ruled on Wednesday the imprisonment for the fence-cutting part should be increased.

Fricker was accompanied at the time by with a man identified as Lloyd Dane Alexander, a Briton, who was in Singapore for just three days, according to the prosecution.

Singapore has sought the extradition of Alexander, who it said was last believed to be in Hong Kong.

Singapore outlaws the sale of chewing gum and has strict fines for littering and a mandatory death sentence for drug peddling. The crime rate on the sparklingly clean island nation of 5 million people is among the lowest in the world.

Singapore's vandalism laws became global news in 1994 when American teenager Michael Fay was caned for damaging cars and public property, despite appeals for clemency from the United States government, including then President Bill Clinton.

(Reporting by Nopporn Wong-Anan; Editing by Nick Macfie)
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Old January 21st, 2011, 01:30 AM   #393
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In Sydney, it's pretty bad. Not as bad as in Italy, but still pretty bad, most trains have at least some tagging on them. Gangs like to take videos of themselves doing it (with balaclavas on obviously) and post it on YouTube.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 02:51 AM   #394
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Discusting graffiti in Belgium:

I will have to agree 100% with that. Many things in Belgium get graffittied (dont think I'm using that word right), even the newest, sleekest trains get sprayed on from time to time, its horrible indeed.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 06:12 AM   #395
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Slightly off-topic, but is that an older Brussels Metro train outfitted with a pantograph?
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Old January 21st, 2011, 10:42 AM   #396
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There seems to be little to no graffiti problems on the T and Commuter rail.

I could also be in denial about this.
No denial.

Boston's MBTA does not allow graffiti. If a train gets tagged, it does not run until it has been cleaned so no one gets to see the "work" giving little incentive to do it.
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 12:08 PM   #397
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I will have to agree 100% with that. Many things in Belgium get graffittied (dont think I'm using that word right), even the newest, sleekest trains get sprayed on from time to time, its horrible indeed.
The only reason so many trains have graffiti on them is because the Belgian railways don't treat removing graffiti as a priority. As a result, trains that get tagged ride around with the tags for weeks, often months. Whereas most railway companies figured out a long time ago that the best way to fight graffiti is to remove it immediately so the vandals don't have the satisfaction of seeing their 'work' riding around all over the country, NMBS / SNCB let the problem linger, to then act all surprised when it gets worse every year. Not really a surprise, looking at the gross incompetence at management level of that company.

The Hitler Jugend train is not in Belgium, BTW. Don't know where it is, but that's not a Belgian train, or metro.

Also, can I please ask that people stop posting pictures of trains with graffiti on them over here? I know you guys probably mean well, but you're actually helping the vandals: by posting their 'work' online for everyone to see, you're giving them the attention they so desperately crave, and thus encounraging them to go out and do more. Many train enthusiast discussion boards already have rules in place banning the posting of pictures of tagged trains for this very reason. Thank you!
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 01:29 PM   #398
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Slightly off-topic, but is that an older Brussels Metro train outfitted with a pantograph?
No. It is, for so far as i can see thru that horrible graffiti , an MS75/AM75 trainset. (Sorry, no wikipedia on this)
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The only reason so many trains have graffiti on them is because the Belgian railways don't treat removing graffiti as a priority. As a result, trains that get tagged ride around with the tags for weeks, often months. Whereas most railway companies figured out a long time ago that the best way to fight graffiti is to remove it immediately so the vandals don't have the satisfaction of seeing their 'work' riding around all over the country, NMBS / SNCB let the problem linger, to then act all surprised when it gets worse every year. Not really a surprise, looking at the gross incompetence at management level of that company.
Why did I get the feeling that this would be the case?
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 05:22 PM   #400
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This is definitely not a train running in Belgium.

MS75/AM75 doesn't have flat side panels nor do they have that much doors per cars.
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