Park Hill Flats Regeneration (Urban Splash) - Page 51

saz17 · June 12th, 2009, 06:56 PM

Maybe the majority of the public do not like them, there is a bigger picture attached to this though. It is not just a concrete, delapitated building, although to the general public it appears so. It is a part of the cities history. Maybe the public should research a little further about how the building came into being, the reasons WHY it was listed. In generations to come children may well learn about post war Britain, the rise and fall of the economy. Parkhill and other community housing schemes may well be on the curriculum.

It would be nice for these future generations to be able to see and feel history. My concern is who are we to turn round and say we should get rid of it "because it does not look good"

I could of course be talking knackers, it has been known lol

SheffCity · June 12th, 2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by saz17

My concern is who are we to turn round and say we should get rid of it "because it does not look good"

We are the people who live in the city, (for some of us) grew up in the city and have to look at them day in, day out. Of all the people who should be involved in a decision on their future it should have been the public.

hella good · June 12th, 2009, 07:35 PM

anyone can make the same argument though, i mean most of my life ive had to see a church every day, now i would happily bulldoze every single gothic church yet i would never do it because i know that it is just my opinion and that its just a very childish way of getting what you want.

if park hill had been demolished due to a public decision, i would quite likely lose the rest of my faith in sheffield, most of which was ruined when the cooling towers came down

saz17 · June 12th, 2009, 07:38 PM

I would have assumed that the council held meetings and that anyone with any concern would have been able to object to planning permission? I must say I do not think public money should have funded the redevlopment ( as Im led to believe some has)

I can not wait to watch the progress of them. I honestly think people will be suprised, even brutalist haters. If you remain open minded and don't always see them as the recent, crumbling and crime ridden estate Parkhill became, I am pretty certain they will be an asset to the city.

Having said that I know what it is like to live near what I class as an "eyesore" So I do empathise with you.

hella good · June 12th, 2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saz17

Having said that I know what it is like to live near what I class as an "eyesore" So I do empathise with you.

oh, do you live next to Westminster abbey?

saz17 · June 12th, 2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hella good

oh, do you live next to Westminster abbey?

No I live very close to a steel works, as symbolic to our local heritage as it is. It is a noisey sod all through the night!

hella good · June 12th, 2009, 07:48 PM

ah, so not quite as bad as westminster abbey then

SheffCity · June 12th, 2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hella good

anyone can make the same argument though, i mean most of my life ive had to see a church every day, now i would happily bulldoze every single gothic church yet i would never do it because i know that it is just my opinion and that its just a very childish way of getting what you want.

if park hill had been demolished due to a public decision, i would quite likely lose the rest of my faith in sheffield, most of which was ruined when the cooling towers came down

There are indidual buildings or style of buildings I hate, but like you say, they are not going anywhere just because you or I hate them. I don't expect them to demolish buildings just because I don't like them, but likewise I don't expect them to keep buildings just because I do like them.

However I do expect a city to listen to the majority of it's residents. Listen to them, educate them so their decision is informed, and then act on their majority decision. This is democracy and it should most definately extend to major developments with such a huge over-bearing position.

We do however have the situation we have and it is unlikely to change, so I do still hold out a slim hope that the plans do turn out to be a good thing.

We cannot hold onto a building in any form just just because the concept is good and represents a way of thinking at one time in history. Yes, history is good and should not be forgot, but you don't have to see it to learn about it.

SheffCity · June 12th, 2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saz17

No I live very close to a steel works, as symbolic to our local heritage as it is. It is a noisey sod all through the night!

How happy would you be if they suddenly listed it and you were stuck with it regardless? If people who don't live near it said it had to stay just because they liked the idea of it?

hella good · June 12th, 2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SheffCity

This is democracy.

Are you sure about that?

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Originally Posted by SheffCity

How happy would you be if they suddenly listed it and you were stuck with it regardless? If people who don't live near it said it had to stay just because they liked the idea of it?

id say, welcome to my world!

saz17 · June 12th, 2009, 07:56 PM

To be honest I wished the Bar Mill would get knocked down. Or I used to do, until I saw it on Jamie Olivers abortion of a programme in Rotherham. I looked at it and suddenly changed my opinion. My problem is I love design and I love History so I go from not liking something: be it a building, idea etc, to researching it and becoming very attached.

I think we should keep a little bit of history for our children. I think a small section of Parkhill should be left as it is, cleaned up and retained in its current state. Maybe one of the lower decks. Make it into a museum for industry, Sheffield, whatever!

Im not being objectionable and I hope people undedrstand these are merely my opinions and hope no one thinks I am forcing them on anyone.

and do not get me started on those cooling towers! I actually cried as I watched those come down!

hella good · June 12th, 2009, 07:57 PM

to be honest i dont have any faith in people any more so whatever happens to it will happen, and ill just let myself get trodden on like the rest of the people in this city

saz17 · June 12th, 2009, 08:28 PM

I found this over on the Skyline photos thread

I am visualising this picture when they are redeveloped and imho they will really add some colour and variety to the skyline!

cheaperthrillz · June 12th, 2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hella good

to be honest i dont have any faith in people any more so whatever happens to it will happen, and ill just let myself get trodden on like the rest of the people in this city

Don't let them get you down, I'm going to get slated for this but in my experience a lot of people in this city just don't realise how good they've actually got it, and unique and how much potential Sheffield actaully has.

cheaperthrillz · June 12th, 2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SheffCity

There are indidual buildings or style of buildings I hate, but like you say, they are not going anywhere just because you or I hate them. I don't expect them to demolish buildings just because I don't like them, but likewise I don't expect them to keep buildings just because I do like them.

However I do expect a city to listen to the majority of it's residents. Listen to them, educate them so their decision is informed, and then act on their majority decision. This is democracy and it should most definately extend to major developments with such a huge over-bearing position.

We do however have the situation we have and it is unlikely to change, so I do still hold out a slim hope that the plans do turn out to be a good thing.

We cannot hold onto a building in any form just just because the concept is good and represents a way of thinking at one time in history. Yes, history is good and should not be forgot, but you don't have to see it to learn about it.

But what could be better of learning than been able to see it, or even been part of the next succesful chapter in history?

cheaperthrillz · June 12th, 2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eighty4

They were broken down and used in the hole in the road

Oh wait, wasnt that hyde park or kelvin?

I was always thought it was Kelvin, and this would make sense as it was demolished in 1993 just before the first trams started running in 1994.

eighty4 · June 13th, 2009, 12:27 AM

Lol its ok its just a bad joke, someone asked what happened to the people who lived on the park hill b4 its refurb started, and that was my answer.

Lame really

lewisskinner · June 13th, 2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cheaperthrillz

I was always thought it was Kelvin, and this would make sense as it was demolished in 1993 just before the first trams started running in 1994.

There's a photo on this board somewhere taken from Netherthorpe Road of a boarded up Kelvin flats with the Supertram being built in the foreground (this particular section was built somewhat later, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffie...#Opening_dates). It's almost a sick joke actually, as that routing was chosen to serve the flats, likewise the route after Granville Road to Manor Top!

Been looking for that particular photo for a while by the way, so if anyone find it (I think it was Muddy who posted it) I'd much appreciate seeing it again!

TakeMeHigher · June 13th, 2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by saz17

I must say I do not think public money should have funded the redevlopment ( as Im led to believe some has)

Nigh on £50m of public sector money. another £80m of private sector money. Around 800 units. Density around 50 units per acre. Good value?

saz17 · June 13th, 2009, 05:49 PM

It had been a long time since I had been into Sheffield and the changes from my last visit were breathtaking! I was Gobsmacked at the direction the city was going in. Where as before the city generally looked rundown (Parkhill along with others contributing to this) on my last visit it looked like a new modern metropolis. I am looking forward to going back there!

Seeing all the new constructions in Sheffield actually made me interested in architecture

I suppose this is where the spending of public money on developments may well be justified. It will make the city worth visiting and in turn bring in business.

I suppose you could knock down Parkhill and replace which would still be costly or you could keep her serving to both upgrade and regenerate, whilst retaining some of the cities history. The city has history and it is a good thing that in the process of modernising it, they are maintaining some of its historical features.

June 12th, 2009, 07:35 PM	#1003
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June 12th, 2009, 07:48 PM	#1007
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June 12th, 2009, 07:57 PM	#1012
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June 12th, 2009, 06:56 PM	#1001
saz17 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sheffield/ Rotherham Posts: 72 Likes (Received): 0	Maybe the majority of the public do not like them, there is a bigger picture attached to this though. It is not just a concrete, delapitated building, although to the general public it appears so. It is a part of the cities history. Maybe the public should research a little further about how the building came into being, the reasons WHY it was listed. In generations to come children may well learn about post war Britain, the rise and fall of the economy. Parkhill and other community housing schemes may well be on the curriculum. It would be nice for these future generations to be able to see and feel history. My concern is who are we to turn round and say we should get rid of it "because it does not look good" I could of course be talking knackers, it has been known lol

June 12th, 2009, 07:38 PM	#1004
saz17 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sheffield/ Rotherham Posts: 72 Likes (Received): 0	I would have assumed that the council held meetings and that anyone with any concern would have been able to object to planning permission? I must say I do not think public money should have funded the redevlopment ( as Im led to believe some has) I can not wait to watch the progress of them. I honestly think people will be suprised, even brutalist haters. If you remain open minded and don't always see them as the recent, crumbling and crime ridden estate Parkhill became, I am pretty certain they will be an asset to the city. Having said that I know what it is like to live near what I class as an "eyesore" So I do empathise with you.

June 12th, 2009, 07:56 PM	#1011
saz17 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sheffield/ Rotherham Posts: 72 Likes (Received): 0	To be honest I wished the Bar Mill would get knocked down. Or I used to do, until I saw it on Jamie Olivers abortion of a programme in Rotherham. I looked at it and suddenly changed my opinion. My problem is I love design and I love History so I go from not liking something: be it a building, idea etc, to researching it and becoming very attached. I think we should keep a little bit of history for our children. I think a small section of Parkhill should be left as it is, cleaned up and retained in its current state. Maybe one of the lower decks. Make it into a museum for industry, Sheffield, whatever! Im not being objectionable and I hope people undedrstand these are merely my opinions and hope no one thinks I am forcing them on anyone. and do not get me started on those cooling towers! I actually cried as I watched those come down!

June 12th, 2009, 08:28 PM	#1013
saz17 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sheffield/ Rotherham Posts: 72 Likes (Received): 0	I found this over on the Skyline photos thread I am visualising this picture when they are redeveloped and imho they will really add some colour and variety to the skyline!

June 13th, 2009, 05:49 PM	#1020
saz17 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sheffield/ Rotherham Posts: 72 Likes (Received): 0	It had been a long time since I had been into Sheffield and the changes from my last visit were breathtaking! I was Gobsmacked at the direction the city was going in. Where as before the city generally looked rundown (Parkhill along with others contributing to this) on my last visit it looked like a new modern metropolis. I am looking forward to going back there! Seeing all the new constructions in Sheffield actually made me interested in architecture I suppose this is where the spending of public money on developments may well be justified. It will make the city worth visiting and in turn bring in business. I suppose you could knock down Parkhill and replace which would still be costly or you could keep her serving to both upgrade and regenerate, whilst retaining some of the cities history. The city has history and it is a good thing that in the process of modernising it, they are maintaining some of its historical features.