Македонија - архив

[dewrob]

Originally Posted by mirza-sm

hmm i couldnt find the article ive read,but here is from the federal statistic bureao for 2004.

Neto pay (2004) - 533,52 bam = 280,80 eur
Bruto pay (2004) - 784,58 bam = 412,93 eur

source: http://www.fzs.ba/ZapN/ZapiPlaGodB.htm

there u have it so im sure we had around 315€ (neto) in 2005..

I also remember Bosnian average salary being higher than the one in MK, but some number like 250EUR comes to my mind... So I guess 280 is also realistic.

I'm not sure why the Macedonian salaries are so fixed because as far as I can remember it's been around 200 EUROS (+/- 20) like forever. I don't understand economics all that much especially not macroeconomics, but from reading the newspapers here the conclution is always that the macroeconomic strategy of Macedonia leaves very limited space for salaries growth. The public sector salaries have been frozen or changed very slightly in the past decade.
On the other had Macedonian macroeconomic parametars are always among the best in EE or maybe just in the Balkans... Our external debt is very very low, our hard currency and gold reserves are rising constantly, the Denar has been extremely stable for the past 15 years. The last devaluation was in 1995 when its value dropped by 10% and since than it has remained excactely the same. There is never any inflation.... I don't know, maybe someone who knows a bit more about economics can make up something out of all the things I said....

But these staistics have nothing to do with reality.
1. Macedonia has a huge grey economy accounting for 40%. I hink the regional average is around 20% and we are absolutely the worse regarding this. We beat SCG and Albania as well.
2. The size of the salary is determined by the statistic department here from the amount of money that the companies pay for health and pension insurance for its employess. In real life not many companies pay the real amount of money but only the minimum amout determined by law. Many companies also don't these insurances at all. Let me draw you a picture from the company I work for. We are 25 people in it. The company pays the insurance for only 15 of the employes meaning that the rest 10 are statisticly unemployed. Also ALL the 15 employees who get their insurance paid, get the minimum amount altough the wages in the company vary from MINIMUM 200EUR to MAX 1300EUR which would be 6.25 times more than the MK average NET wage. Even the managers and owners of the company only pay the minimum insurance so statisticly even they earn only a minimal wage.

There is a zilion other ways that the Macedonians use to make a profit and survive these hard times, because if we followed the statistics, the whole nation would have probably starved to death around 10 years ago.

Now I know that this kind of Balkanian screwing with the law exists in Bosnia, SCG, Albania, probably in Croatia too. But as far as I'm informed Macedonia is absolutely the worse regarding this which is not something to be proud of course.

From what I've seen life is not very different in Bosnia, SCG and Macedonia and if we take everything into account, I think we all pretty much make the same money.

[blue79]

^he he Djurob you forgot Bulgaria.The situation here with the grey economy and the wages is practically identical.I mean 70% of the workers get on paper the minimum wage in order the companies to pay minimal social and health insuarances.The same situation with the profits of the firms.On paper a giant like the Lukoil rafinery has a year profit of just 3-4m euros-oh yeah we believe that don't we.

[GreatMakedon]

djurob.. about the ZOO, it belongs in both threads since its skopje's project but also its a project in macedonia.

About what you said above, macedonia's inflation last i checked was 0.6% <-- thats good for the stable denar but bad for ecenomic development.. in other words we have deflation, which means people are not spending any money, so prices cannot rise, thus pays cannot rise.
Despite this the pays in macedonia has been steadily rising about 5% per year, since the average pay at the moment is almost 13,000denari... about 6years ago it was 10,000 denari.
Now when we convert denari into euros, it all depends on how strong the denar is... at the moment its 60denari to one euro... say next month its 58denari to one euro, even without the pays rising, when you convert them to euros it will add up to a rise in the wages.

[dewrob]

@blue

yeah I know blue... Here is a little statistics I found from another forum. But I don't know how reliable it is.

Percentage of grey economy for each country. I guess we are not the worse after all.... But still among the leading ones...

52 % Albania
46 % Romania
45 % Kosovo
39 % Macedonia
34 % Bulgaria
27 % Montenegro
26 % Republic Srpska
19 % Bosanian federation
19 % Serbia
18 % Croatia
17 % Slovenia

[dewrob]

Originally Posted by GreatMakedon

djurob.. about the ZOO, it belongs in both threads since its skopje's project but also its a project in macedonia.

About what you said above, macedonia's inflation last i checked was 0.6% <-- thats good for the stable denar but bad for ecenomic development.. in other words we have deflation, which means people are not spending any money, so prices cannot rise, thus pays cannot rise.
Despite this the pays in macedonia has been steadily rising about 5% per year, since the average pay at the moment is almost 13,000denari... about 6years ago it was 10,000 denari.
Now when we convert denari into euros, it all depends on how strong the denar is... at the moment its 60denari to one euro... say next month its 58denari to one euro, even without the pays rising, when you convert them to euros it will add up to a rise in the wages.

well the salary growth is too slow GreatMakedon 10.000-13.000 means that it has risen 50EUR in the past 6 years or 8.3EUR per year. Compare it with the salary growth on the Bosnian statistical site or the growth of Croatian salaries. Compare it with the Bulgarian or Serbian growth who have reached us, and we had twice their standard some 10 years ago (because of the obvious circumstances at the time but still....).
Each political party preaches more dynamic economy, releasing of a small "healthy" inflation, encouriging of spening.... but when they come in office they all stick to this sterile financial politics. The EURO ranges for 60.5-61.5 not more not less....... and it has been like that for a decade even with the German mark before.....
The interest rates of the banks are also screwing us... Even with the latest decreaseing they are still too damn high to be worth it. If I want to buy a small car, a new Opel Corsa for example which costs around 10k here, and I take a cradit for 70% of the amount and pay it for the next 5 years it costs me extra cca 4k at the end or extra 20 MK average salaries. So I buy a new Corsa for the price of Astra.

[lakerdar123]

Originally Posted by djurob

@blue

yeah I know blue... Here is a little statistics I found from another forum. But I don't know how reliable it is.

Percentage of grey economy for each country. I guess we are not the worse after all.... But still among the leading ones...

52 % Albania
46 % Romania
45 % Kosovo
39 % Macedonia
34 % Bulgaria
27 % Montenegro
26 % Republic Srpska
19 % Bosanian federation
19 % Serbia
18 % Croatia
17 % Slovenia

ye this sounds about right. i know albanias grey economy is about 50 percent. meaning if illegal businesses were to be legalized albanias gdp would be 50 percent higher than now. wow. huge problem for us.

[mirza-sm]

daaaaamn bulgaria and romania are almost in the EU and have bigger grey economy than we do LOL

[3tmk]

^lol, wasn't Bosnia run by the EU? :P
nice sig, btw, you're probably the only ones with Mexico, Egypt and China :P

[Kommandant Mark]

One of my Macedonian friends mentioned to me something about construction of a new airport in Macedonia, third i think, after Skopje & Ohrid. Its planned to be somewhere near his hometown of Strumica.

Anyone know more about that?

[GreatMakedon]

KM.. yeah i do... in 1995 on macedonian TV they said "Macedonia will get a third airport, in Strumica" <--- that was 11 years ago

[mirza-sm]

Originally Posted by 3tmk

^lol, wasn't Bosnia run by the EU? :P
nice sig, btw, you're probably the only ones with Mexico, Egypt and China :P

is there smthin wrong with it? i think not,the numbers show for themselves
ya its a cool signature,i forgot to add "the olympics" too
well thats great,the less countries the bigger tourist attraction it is

[lakerdar123]

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[dewrob]

Originally Posted by Kommandant Mark

One of my Macedonian friends mentioned to me something about construction of a new airport in Macedonia, third i think, after Skopje & Ohrid. Its planned to be somewhere near his hometown of Strumica.

Anyone know more about that?

yeah it's planned but I think they only want to make a cargo airport... not sure though.... but except the plan there is nothing else on this

[dewrob]

@lakerdar thanx for the info. Metalec is doing good I guess. It's is the local partner of Mitsubishi (I posted the news about that on the first page of this thread). It just signed a contract with BMW as well for making some components for it. This happened 3 days ago I'll try to find the news. I remember it worked on the steel construction of the new Olympic stadium in Athens. If Mitsubishi invests in a factory here it will be in that free zone that Metalec is planning.

[dewrob]

An article about Macedonia in the british newspaper Times

LINK

The Times January 28, 2006

Exploring Eastern Europe: Macedonia
Tony Kelly picks the best trips


PRIME ministers and foreign ambassadors sat in the stone tiers of the Roman amphitheatre awaiting the opening of the Ohrid Summer Festival.
Crowds poured into the arena, many of them ordinary Macedonians who had paid £35 for a ticket, the equivalent of a week’s wages. As the President finished his speech and took his seat, the audience hushed for the entry of the Spanish tenor José Carreras.

A performance from an internationally famous opera singer is not what you expect in the Balkans, but then Macedonia has a habit of defying expectations. In many ways, it is the forgotten country of the former Yugoslavia and the locals are hoping that events such as the Carreras concert will put their homeland on the map.

Most people would be hardpressed even to tell you where Macedonia is. Under Alexander the Great, it ruled an empire stretching from India to Egypt and Iraq, but these days its ambitions are rather more limited. After

its peaceful break from Yugoslavia in 1991, it has been officially known as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia — a clumsy name designed to appease Greek sensibilities and distinguish it from the Greek province of Macedonia.

Until the 1990s, the country received half a million foreign visitors a year, but tourism dried up during the wars in Bosnia and Croatia and has yet to recover. This is a pity, since it means that people are missing out on magnificent mountains and lakes, historic monasteries and churches and some of the best food I have eaten anywhere.

The Spanish call a fruit salad a macedonia de frutas in a reference to the country’s ethnic mix, but the description could equally be applied to the cuisine. A typical Macedonian meal begins with a spread of mezes such as tarator (cucumber, garlic, yogurt and walnuts), pindzur (roasted aubergine and pepper relish) and sopska salata (cucumber, tomatoes and sheep’s cheese), accompanied by heaps of crusty white bread. Follow this with a grilled kebab or a mixed-meat casserole served in an earthenware pot, throw in a bottle of Skopsko beer or organic Macedonian wine, and you have the perfect lunch.

I have to admit that my first impressions were not that promising. The capital, Skopje, was razed by an earthquake in 1963 and the city centre is scarred by the concrete brutalism of 1960s communist town planners. One of the houses destroyed was Mother Teresa’s birthplace, now marked by a plaque at the entrance to a shopping mall. But as soon as I crossed the elegant stone-arched bridge over the river Vardar to enter the old town, I found myself in a labyrinthine souk of mosques, caravanserais and baths.

For 500 years, Macedonia was part of the Ottoman empire and the Turkish legacy is evident everywhere, from veiled women shopping for jewellery to skullcapped men answering the call to prayer from the Mustafa Pasha mosque. In the Bit Pazar, Skopje’s sprawling outdoor bazaar, stallholders sell olives, almonds, raisins, spices, melons, cigarettes, silk dresses, car parts, mobile phones and second-hand TVs. Wailing Arabic music drifts from cafes and barbers’ shops, and the scent of grilled meat and Turkish coffee hangs in the air.

During the warmer months, anyone who can afford to heads for the beach. Not the sea — the nearest coastlines are Albania and Montenegro — but the shores of Lake Ohrid, Macedonia’s summer capital. “All of Skopje’s high society moves down to Ohrid in summer,” one diplomat told me.

Ohrid is a strange mix of historic pilgrimage town and modern holiday resort. Europe’s first university was founded here by St Clement in the 9th century; it was the birthplace of the Cyrillic alphabet and remains one of the holiest sites of the Orthodox Church.

Chapels and monasteries line the lakeshore, none prettier or more spectacularly sited than the small 13th- century church of St John at Kaneo, on the cliffs overlooking the lake. But when you have had enough of churches and museums, have climbed to the 10th-century fortress and have visited the lovely Icon Gallery at the Church of the Holy Mother of God, it is time to chill out. I spent an enjoyable day here swimming in the lake, taking a boat trip across the water and dining on fresh Ohrid trout at a waterfront restaurant.

Tourism in Macedonia has a long way to go. Hotels in the main towns are comfortable but largely lacking in character. There are Roman remains which are not clearly signposted and ski slopes and hiking trails known only to locals. All this will change, but for now Macedonia is one of the least-known and least-visited countries in Europe — which in a strange way is all part of its appeal.

[OhridBoy]

Originally Posted by djurob

An article about Macedonia in the british newspaper Times

LINK

great article..specially that part about Aleksandar Makedonski

[GreatMakedon]

aman be nemoj, grcive ke puknat od maka

[OhridBoy]

Originally Posted by GreatMakedon

aman be nemoj, grcive ke puknat od maka

hahahaha da daj Gospod da puknat

[dewrob]

Skopje and Ohrid airports will probably be run by a foreign company by the end of the year. Several companies have already shown interest for the airports as the German Hohctief, German-Austrian consortium Zender, Greek Aktor(together with Siemens), Turkish Chelebi and MNG and Malaysian Hysniaga (I don't know if I spelled all the companies right).

SOURCE: Total

До крајот на годината двата аеродроми ќе одат под концесија
Скопскиот и Охридскиот аеродром до крајот на годината ќе одат под концесија. Компанијата која ќе ја добие концесијата за аеродромите ќе може 30 години да управува со нив. Концесионерот ќе може да добие и право за управување со оделни делови. Ова се предвудува со новиот Закон за воздухопловство кој минатата недела стапи на сила. Од Министерството за транспорт и врски најавуваат дека набрзо ќе биде распишан меѓународен тендер за избор на консултант кој треба да ги изработи правила за концесија. Се најавува дека до крајот на годината можно е аеродромите да добијат нов сопственик. Како најдобра опција се предвидува „Бот договорот„ по принципот гради, оперирај, остави, што значи дека концесионерот ќе мора да го модернизира аеродромот, а по истекот на концесијата да и го остави на државата. За скопскиот аеродром „Петровец„ заинтересирани се турските компанија „Челеби„ и „МНГ„ германската групација „Хотхиф„, грчката фирма „Актор„, германско австрискиот конзорциум „Зендер„ и малезиската „Хисниага корпорејшн„. „Хотхиф„,„Челеби„ и „МНГ„ веќе ги презентираа својите бизнис планови пред Владата. Грчки „Актор„ најавува заедничко учество со конзорциумот „Сименс„ со кој Владата потпиша Моморандум за соработка во повеќе области. Според експертите, големата заинтересирано на компаниите се должи на одличната положба на скопскиот аеродром, посебно за кратки и интерконтинентални летови.
(Тотал)

[dewrob]

Slovenian car tyres factory Sava Kranj is interested to invest in Bitola.

Македонија
„Сава Крањ„ ги разгледува можностите за инвестирање во Битола
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Фабриката за производство на гуми „Сава„ од Крањ ги разгледува можностите за изградба на свој погон во Битола.
Менаџерскиот тим на „Сава„ барал повеќе информации околу можностите за изградба на погон во Битола. Главен адут за нив била евтината и добро обучена работна сила.
Градоначалникот на Битола, Владимир Талевски најавува повторна средба со менаџерскиот тим на „Сава„ од Крањ на која ќе се разговара за можните инвестиции.
„Ние сме подготвени да помогнеме во реализацијата на оваа инвестиција. Битола и Крањ се збратимени градови и инвестициите се дел од соработката„, вели Талевски.
„Сава Крањ„ е во целосна сопственост на светскиот гигант „Goodyear„. Во оваа фабрика се произведуваат пет познати брендови на гуми, „goodyear„, „dunlop „,„fulda „, „sava „ и „debica „.
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