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Old September 5th, 2008, 05:30 AM   #41
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Oahu rail misses deadlines
31 August 2008

HONOLULU (AP) - Honolulu's proposed rail transit system is on schedule to break ground in December 2009 despite already missing two key dates.

A draft environmental impact statement and an engineering application were scheduled to be finished in the spring, but they've been pushed back to this fall.

But Mike Scheibe, deputy project manager for Parson Brinckerhoff, says the overall outlook for the launch of the $4 billion project remains the same.

The plan for the rail system calls for it to start partial operations by the end of 2012.

Delays could increase the cost of the project and affect the federal government's contribution.

It will take about a decade to finish the full 20-mile elevated commuter line.

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Information from: The Honolulu Advertiser
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Old September 6th, 2008, 08:49 PM   #42
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I seriously do not understand what is the problem with those people in "No Rail Group". Either they are mentally not alright or just being stupid, trains has proven to be the fastest way to get from one place to another if it is built efficiently with good management yet there is these group of people who prefers to be wake up early like a zombie and stuck in a jam for hours before reaching their destination. Yes driving can be a pleasure but it is never a pleasure to stuck in a traffic jam, I was stuck in a heavy traffic just now because it is weekend and here in Singapore, there is this very special plate which is only allowed to drive on weekdays (after 7pm) and weekends (all day) which jam up the whole expressway and filling with all these plates. Also trains is environment-friendly and cost only a dollar. Unless you are a millionaire, I believe normal Americans have problem coping with rising oil prices so I think the best solution is a fully connected public transport. The poll may be very unpleasing but the same thing happens with all public transport, just like our public transport, if not because our government install a lot of electronic toll gantry (ERP) and the increased fuel price, I don't think the rail user will break record every year.

Anyway 55 MPH is not a really good speed to compete with cars since the cars on interstate travel faster than that. I think 60 - 70 MPH can be a good speed, not too fast but higher or equal to average interstate speed.
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Old September 7th, 2008, 06:38 AM   #43
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Well, it's America, and car is king. The fastest way is always by car, and trying to convince people a rail line will rumble through their neighborhoods can be a challenge. You have to understand the mindset is very different. People drive everywhere.
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Old September 7th, 2008, 02:18 PM   #44
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Have there been any decisions made regarding which mode of transport will be constructed? I looked through the earlier pages, and many of the articles simply discussed the Government there trying to decide which system to use - now on this page they're talking about the construction.

Have they decided on a metro...or? Are there any maps/renders/designs...?
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Old September 7th, 2008, 07:42 PM   #45
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Have there been any decisions made regarding which mode of transport will be constructed? I looked through the earlier pages, and many of the articles simply discussed the Government there trying to decide which system to use - now on this page they're talking about the construction.

Have they decided on a metro...or? Are there any maps/renders/designs...?
http://www.honolulutransit.org/overview/

Looks like rail.
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 04:25 AM   #46
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Island showdown: Pro-rail Honolulu mayor to face anti-rail councilwoman in runoff election
21 September 2008

HONOLULU (AP) - Setting up a November election showdown over a commuter rail line, pro-rail Honolulu Mayor Mufi Hannemann on Saturday was forced into a runoff with a city councilwoman opposed to the project.

Hannemann fell a hair short of winning re-election outright, taking 49.4 percent of the vote when he needed a majority. Councilwoman Ann Kobayashi got 30 percent, and a second rail opponent, Panos Prevedouros, picked up 18 percent.

Hannemann was once considered a sure bet for outright re-election, but contenders emerged to give a voice to those who believe a steel-rail commuter train would be an eyesore on the tropical isles, which attract 7 million tourists a year -- six times the permanent population.

"Now it's one-on-one," Hannemann said. "We're just delaying the inevitable. Yes, we'll have to campaign, and we'll do that."

The first-term mayor wants to build the $5 billion, 20-mile rail line to relieve pressure on the only highway from the suburbs to the city, which would give commuters an alternative to an increasingly crowded island bus system.

Kobayashi jumped into the race as an anti-rail candidate, favoring alternatives such as more rubber-tire buses, possibly on a new fixed guideway.

"I've been concerned about this rail project, how it affects our economy and people's property taxes, and the visual impact on the city," she said.

Without a decisive win, the anti-rail movement can claim momentum in the six weeks before the Nov. 4 election.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 04:37 PM   #47
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Oahu Voters decide to build rail line and re-elect Mayor Hannemann
5 November 2008

HONOLULU (AP) - The train has left the station.

Honolulu voters on Tuesday approved the city's pricey steel-wheeled rail system, a 20-mile line meant to relieve heavy rush-hour commutes and provide an alternative to the island's only highway from the suburbs into town.

Voters also re-elected the rail system's biggest supporter, Mayor Mufi Hannemann, to a second term. He defeated anti-rail Councilwoman Ann Kobayashi.

"We need rail. We've tried all the alternatives, and we're maxed out," said 33-year-old Renee Hartenstein, who remembers taking BART trains in the San Francisco Bay Area as a child. "We're one of the only major metropolitan areas without a rail system."

The city has estimated it could cost up to $6.5 billion in inflation-adjusted dollars over the project's 10-year construction timetable.

Kobayashi and opponents of the rail line campaigned hard against it because they said it wouldn't do enough to reduce traffic. They claimed it was too noisy, too expensive and too much of a burden on taxpayers.

"I don't think it will alleviate traffic," said 37-year-old community college teacher Salvador Keahi. "I don't think it will be placed in the areas where we need it."

With all precincts reporting, voters gave the go-ahead for the city to build the rail system with 53 percent of the vote. Hannemann defeated Kobayashi with 58 percent of the vote.

The election was a major test for the rail system, which likely wouldn't have been built despite years of planning if voters had rejected it or if they had picked Kobayashi.

In other votes across Hawaii, residents rejected holding a constitutional convention, which a staunch advertising campaign turned away because of concerns over its multimillion-dollar cost and its potential to alter union protections.

Voters also selected former mayoral assistant Billy Kenoi mayor of the Big Island and county parks director Bernard Carvalho for Kauai, both by wide margins.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 03:19 AM   #48
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Can anyone explain why they are insisting on an elevated system as opposed to an underground?
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Old November 6th, 2008, 07:07 AM   #49
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Can anyone explain why they are insisting on an elevated system as opposed to an underground?
Knowing very little about hawaii....

Water issues? Earthquake issues?
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Old November 6th, 2008, 11:06 AM   #50
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I would imagine train tunnels would make great lava tubes.
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Old November 8th, 2008, 05:05 PM   #51
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Apo, Djou want to abandon Salt Lake rail route in favor of airport, Pearl Harbor
6 November 2008

HONOLULU (AP) - Honolulu City Councilmen Todd Apo and Charles Djou want to change the route of Oahu's planned multibillion-dollar rapid transit system.

The rail system is to link Kapolei with Ala Moana, with a portion running through Salt Lake.

The lawmakers have introduced a bill that would abandon Salt Lake in favor of having the route run to Honolulu International Airport and Pearl Harbor.

Councilman Romy Cachola was the swing vote when the council approved the project in 2007. He had threatened to vote against rail unless it was routed through Salt Lake, which he represents.

However, Cachola's support is no longer needed, because Djou has switched from anti- to pro-rail.

In Tuesday's general election, Oahu voters approved the steel-wheeled rail system.
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Old November 23rd, 2008, 04:17 PM   #52
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Shift of rail transit line to airport delayed
21 November 2008

HONOLULU (AP) - Efforts to change the route of a proposed Oahu rail transit system so it stops at Honolulu International Airport will await the new year.

A city council committee on Thursday deferred action to allow more time for residents to voice their opinions on the issue.

A vote is expected Jan. 8.

Currently, the 20-mile route is slated to run from Kapolei to Ala Moana, and includes one or more stops in Salt Lake. But proponents want to shift the line from Salt Lake to the airport. They argue that would result in more riders.

City Council Chairman Todd Apo and Councilman Charles Djou, who introduced the change, had hoped to move the bill quickly through the City Council for approval to minimize any delay or cost impact.

But city transportation officials said waiting until January would do no significant harm to its plans.

Nestor Garcia, chair of the council's Transportation and Public Works Committee, said the delay will allow residents more time to voice their opinions on which route the train from East Kapolei to Ala Moana should take.

The city plans to start work on the rail line late next year. Limited service between West Loch and Waipahu would start in late 2013, and full service to Ala Moana would begin by the end of 2018.

Changing the route would break a commitment by the city to the Salt Lake community, which successfully lobbied for the current train route last year. That's when City Councilman Romy Cachola, who represents Salt Lake, cast a swing vote to keep the rail project alive if it went through Salt Lake rather than the airport.

A commuter rail system that runs past Pearl Harbor and the airport would cost more to build and maintain, but carry more passengers and alleviate more traffic, according to the city's recent draft environmental study. The change would add about $220 million to the project's $4.28 billion price tag.

Five people testified in favor of a Salt Lake route at a hearing Thursday. No one spoke out in support of the airport route. Several said they felt betrayed by the effort to switch.

"I voted for rail because it was passing through Salt Lake and now we shouldn't even be having this discussion here today about passing it through the airport," said Salt Lake resident Tony Soon Fah.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 02:59 PM   #53
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Can anyone explain why they are insisting on an elevated system as opposed to an underground?
I think it's a cost issue? Also, keep in mind that elevated tracks are part of the reason why some people are opposed to this project. Another reason is that they feel there is no need for the project, mostly because Honolulu lacks the density, already has an excellent bus system and the money could be spent elsewhere. Please keep issues like this in mind; it's not always about "I don't like trains, so let's not build a rail line."

Personally, I think an airport extension should have been part of the original plan.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 06:00 PM   #54
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Well, it's America, and car is king. The fastest way is always by car, and trying to convince people a rail line will rumble through their neighborhoods can be a challenge. You have to understand the mindset is very different. People drive everywhere.
Try getting around New York by car. It takes forever to get across a big city in the car. Traffic jams are horrific.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 05:12 PM   #55
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Try getting around New York by car. It takes forever to get across a big city in the car. Traffic jams are horrific.
But the vast majority of America is nothing like New York. Even in LA the traffic is insane yet people still prefer car over transit.
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But the vast majority of America is nothing like New York. Even in LA the traffic is insane yet people still prefer car over transit.
THe New York metro area has nearly 20 million people, or 7% of the country's population. And considering LA's freeway system dwarves its rail system, taking the car is the only choice for a lot of people. But LA has seen steady growth in its rail ridership and is building new lines to shift more travel to rail.
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But the vast majority of America is nothing like New York. Even in LA the traffic is insane yet people still prefer car over transit.
Thats the point. People still drive, even in insane traffic, because in many cases there isnt an effective alternative. So far, most new rail systems have either meet or vastly exceed their projected ridership. But usually its just a small starter line, so the dent it makes in traffic is negligible. Once cities start to complete more comprehensive systems (like LA, or Honolulu, or Seattle, or Houston, or San Jose, or Denver, etc, etc, etc) You will begin to see very rapid increases in the number of people dropping the car from their commutes.
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Old January 30th, 2009, 06:06 PM   #58
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Council OKs new rail route
28 January 2009

HONOLULU (AP) - The City Council on Wednesday gave final approval to changing the route of the $5.5 billion rail transit system from Salt Lake Boulevard to Honolulu International Airport and Pearl Harbor.

The vote was 6-2, with Councilmen Romy Cachola, who represents the Salt Lake area, and Duke Bainum dissenting.

The change, which was introduced by Councilmen Charles Djou and Todd Apo, will cost the city an additional $220 million.

"If Honolulu does rail, we must do it right," Djou said in a news release. "Switching the rail route from Salt Lake Boulevard to the airport and Pearl Harbor is the first of several steps needed to correct numerous problems with the proposed Honolulu rail system.

"Linking the airport, the entry point for virtually all tourists affecting Hawaii's largest industry, and Pearl Harbor, one of Oahu's largest employment centers affecting Hawaii's second largest industry, is simple common sense," he said.

Mayor Mufi Hannemann wants construction to begin late this year, with parts of the 20-mile line running from Kapolei to Ala Moana opening in phases between 2013 and 2019.

Meanwhile, federal officials concerned about the security of the Honolulu federal building are asking for another change in the planned route of the mass transit system.

They don't want the commuter train passing too close to the Prince Kuhio Federal Building out of concern over a terrorist attack and the security of federal courts.

Federal Judge Helen Gillmor and U.S. District Marshall Mark Hanohano signed a letter to the City Council expressing concern.

The letter said the current planned route along Ala Moana Boulevard runs past three judges chambers.

Gillmor also pointed to the 1995 attack on the Oklahoma City federal building and the 2004 bombing of a Madrid commuter train as examples of the dangers the Prince Kuhio Federal Building might face.
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Will this line be underground, or elevated? They have decided on a real metro, yeah? Not just a light rail line?

There doesn't seem to be much information available on this project.
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Will this line be underground, or elevated? They have decided on a real metro, yeah? Not just a light rail line?

There doesn't seem to be much information available on this project.
This project was never "light rail" to begin with. The city of Honolulu used the term "light rail" because its more appealing to the voters (mainly the undecided) than "heavy rail." There's constant updates on this project in our local newspapers and here is the government's site for the project. Everything will be elevated.


http://www.honolulutransit.org/
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