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Old February 1st, 2009, 02:48 AM   #61
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Please feel free to post more information then. Not all of us are within the vicinity to receive Honolulu's local media.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 12:00 PM   #62
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That superferry is amazing! I'm really jealous....

By the way, make sure rail is here to stay, prepare logistics lines so that even truckers get off the roads.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 05:36 PM   #63
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Tax surcharge raises $300 million for mass transit
27 January 2009

HONOLULU (AP) - Collections of the tax to support mass transit on Oahu are approaching $300 million.

State tax records show collections of the half-cent charge on all goods and services rose nearly 11 percent last year to just over $162 million.

Despite that, Honolulu city officials say the monthly take is falling short of expectations.

The money is for Honolulu's $5 billion steel rail transit system between Kapolei and Ala Moana.

Gov. Linda Lingle has called for some of the funds to be used to ease the state's growing deficit. Supporters of that idea say the tax surcharge could be extend beyond the planned 2022 expiration to make up for any shortfall.

Mayor Mufi Hannemann and other city officials argue that any other use of the funds would be risky to the transit project.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 06:13 AM   #64
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spent my summer in Honolulu and THEY NEED a light rail system for that Island.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 03:39 AM   #65
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Awesome idea... Here in Puerto Rico they just built it with loans, so there is considerable debt since ridership level didn't go as high as planned. Stupid car mentality.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 06:19 PM   #66
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Honolulu rail won't come with much parking
30 March 2009

HONOLULU (AP) - Honolulu's planned rail stations will have only limited parking spaces for commuters.

The city predicts that nine out of every 10 trips on the rail line will be by people arriving at train stations by bus, bicycle or foot.

But that still leaves about 11,000 daily rail rides coming from those who drive to train stations, and it's unclear where they will be able to park.

The city plans to provide parking for 4,100 cars at four train station park-and-rides located between East Kapolei and Aloha Stadium.

City transportation director Wayne Yoshioka says it's not economically feasible for the city to provide parking around stations in urban Honolulu.

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Old April 8th, 2009, 09:34 PM   #67
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I'm wondering what the odds are that they will use a system like Vancouver's multi-grade Skytrain(also Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Beijing). It seems a no-brainer at this point and I'd be surprised if they didn't. Elevated, automated, and not light rail but also not a standard metro.

I also wonder if and when an extension into Waikiki would be underground. It's density and high-rise architecture is very similar to Vancouver's downtown peninsula as 2 metro lines run underground there due to space at grade and above.


....and thank god they decided to go by Honolulu airport instead.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #68
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3 bidding for Oahu rail
Two train suppliers now say they won't submit bids
Monday, July 6, 2009

Two major train suppliers have pulled out of the running to provide vehicles and systems for Honolulu's planned rapid transit system.

That leaves three companies competing for the estimated $230 million city contract scheduled to be awarded next year. The vehicles and systems contract is a small part of the $5.4 billion rail project. However, the style of the rail cars chosen will determine much of the system's overall character.

Two companies that won't be providing the trains are Paris-based Alstom and Sacramento, Calif.-based Siemens Transportation Systems Inc. Both companies confirmed last week that they won't be bidding on Honolulu's project.

That probably makes the world's No. 1 train supplier, Bombardier Transportation, a favorite for the deal. So far Berlin-based Bombardier Transportation; Genoa, Italy-based Ansaldo STS and a consortium led by New York City-based Sumitomo Corporation of America are the only other competitors that have announced interest in the contract.

Siemens, which calls itself the nation's No. 1 maker of light rail vehicles, did not explain why it's not interested in the project. Alstom, which says it is No. 1 in the high- and very-high-speed train sector, said it decided not to bid on Honolulu's project based on the level of competition and the size of the city's contract.

"We took a look at this one and said, 'Yeah there's three real good competitors,' " said Charles Wo- chele, an Alstom vice president for marketing and business development. "We know them well, we compete with them. If our car fit better with the specifications and we had something that was a little closer fit, we'd go after it. But we're chasing some big projects in the Mainland right now and you can't chase them all."
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Old July 18th, 2009, 11:40 PM   #69
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^ yay! Proud to be Canadian, home to the world's number 1 train supplier.


Would Bombardier to proposing to use ART technology for Honolulu?
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I believe Bombardier is proposing ART for Honolulu. The Vancouver Mark II trains have been featured prominently in publicity for the project. I will be rooting for Bombardier for this project.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:20 AM   #71
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I believe Bombardier is proposing ART for Honolulu. The Vancouver Mark II trains have been featured prominently in publicity for the project. I will be rooting for Bombardier for this project.
You've probably only seen the first generation Mark II SkyTrain cars we have.

Vancouver is getting the second generation Mark II cars this year, 48 of them. The trains are much more quieter than even the first generation Mark II's, and they also have a faster acceleration. We also have a new seating arrangement, which rearranges the seats to make the interior more space efficient.


Notice a new "destination" LED sign at the front/ends of the train:




New LED live system map, showing the direction of the train's movement and the next station it is heading towards with blinking lights:























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Old July 19th, 2009, 05:31 AM   #72
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My vote would also be for Bombardier, but Ansaldo STS does some pretty amazing projects too, like the Coppenhaggen Metro.


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^ definitely Bombardier, so we can add one more to the worldwide ALRT list! woot!
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^ definitely Bombardier, so we can add one more to the worldwide ALRT list! woot!
Hate to take over the thread, but this just totally proves SkyTrain technology is a great alternative considered by many transit agencies. If Bombardier gets chosen, stupid zweisystem, LRT advocate for a line in Vancouver, will be proven wrong yet again.
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Hate to take over the thread, but this just totally proves SkyTrain technology is a great alternative considered by many transit agencies. If Bombardier gets chosen, stupid zweisystem, LRT advocate for a line in Vancouver, will be proven wrong yet again.
I wonder what excuse he'll come up with...
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How many LRT systems are there compared to ART? How many are built yearly compared to ART? The evergreen line is even in danger of being cut

Bombardier sells more LRV's than ART. That has to say something.

ART will always been a niche technology catering to a select few demands.
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Thanks alot!
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How many LRT systems are there compared to ART? How many are built yearly compared to ART? The evergreen line is even in danger of being cut
That's just bull shit from the transit agency so that they can get more funding. They aren't in charge of building the Evergreen Line, the Provincial Government is. Besides, the project is already under Environmental Studies and the detailed design of the project is generally complete, with public consultations occurring later this year.

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Bombardier sells more LRV's than ART. Thaat has to say something.
We don't question Light Rail technology... which obviously has it advantages over ART. It's more like the type of technology chosen should be studied in a case by case basis. The Broadway corridor must be built SkyTrain period.

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ART will always been a niche technology catering to a select few demands.
Sure. Either way though, for the Honolulu project, ART might be worth taking a good look at because they want an automated, attractive, fully segregated system and it seems that Oahu planners are favoring ART.
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I don't know how Honolulu is financing their project, but I hope they're careful with what they choose to do.

San Juan failed miserably because the system was never finished and so it never reached critical areas. Avoid lawsuits, especially if you're using federal money. Try to have everything built on-time. Some contractors took too long to build stations and lawsuits ensued.

Another failure of the San Juan metro was it didn't attract ridership. Expansion to the airport never happened so, potential tourists never rode it. SUV-loving residents well, love their cars and 6-lane highways make moving around by car smooth.

Also, recommended for success, make a unified payment system for all transportation options in Oahu.

As soon as this is built, I'm getting on a plane to Hawaii. As always I hope y'all succeed. It's critical for Hawaii to develop the train culture.

Also, if someone could clarify how they plan on getting financing...
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