Brunswick Quay - Page 29

bustcapl · December 5th, 2007, 04:26 PM

Agree Bugged a very sensible post!

Martin S · December 5th, 2007, 06:31 PM

Very good reply Bugged.

I really have no idea of just how many apartments should be built in the city centre. Not that long ago, many people would have said that there would have been no demand at all for city centre living in Liverpool. Now, we get nervous about the number of apartments that are being built or are in the planning system.

The point is though that the more people who live in the city centre, the more attractive it becomes as a place to live. More people means more footfall for shops, bars, cafes etc and larger audiences for cinemas, theatres etc. As these facilities are sustained and added to, the more people want to live in the centre and the more popular and secure it becomes.

The attractiveness of Liverpool City Centre should improve considerably over the next year as facilities such as the Grosvenor development come on line, streets are opened up and we have the ACC in operation.

As to the question of where all these people are going to come from, it makes sense to look at the statistics. Liverpool has an area of some 40 square miles and a population of 440,000. That gives a density of some 11,000 people to the square mile. The city centre population given that it is spread over an area of about 1 square mile is presently around 13,000 and so is therefore hardly greater than the rest of the city, bearing in mind that this includes parks, industrial estates and the airport.

As for the fact that most apartments are occupied by single people or couples without children - these form the majority of households in modern Britain. Even given a future city centre population of 25,000, that would only be just over 5% of the city population.

Consider also that Liverpool City Centre is the focus of a city region of some 2 million people and the figures can be seen in perspective. There is only one other location that can compete with Liverpool in the North West and that is Manchester, which also has a thriving apartment market.

At the end of the day, it will be the market that determines how many apartments are built. If there are two many, prices will go down and more people will be attracted into the area. If there are too few, prices will go up and more will be built.

buggedboy · July 1st, 2008, 12:09 PM

Taken from Place North West

250608

Maro Developments is preparing to submit new plans for the controversial Brunswick Quay site in Liverpool two years after the original designs were thrown out after a public inquiry.

Apparently they are mid rise. we knew they were working on plans from those twee drawings. They have obviously firmed them up in the intervening period and are ready to go.

Fair play for sticking with the city really, after all they had to put up with.

T0M · July 1st, 2008, 12:14 PM

Hmmph. It's not quite long enough for the bitterness to have fully warn off, but I guess it'd be good to see something going up on this site. 20-25 storeys would be acceptable (if the actual designs are of a high enough quality) and help to pull the skyline south down the river.

Paul D · July 1st, 2008, 05:57 PM

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with,I wont dwell too much on the past if there's a couple of talls around the 20/25 storey mark,I just hope they're decent and any bars and restaurants offer great views of the river.Great to see this project is still very much alive though.

Paul D · July 1st, 2008, 06:10 PM

This sites so annoying lately,it never works.

Paul D · July 1st, 2008, 06:13 PM

This fuckin sites doing my head in.

paulmac35 · July 1st, 2008, 06:35 PM

nah would much rather leave the site untouched until such a time that such an iconic building (the original design) can be constructed. even if it takes years for the status quo to change. there are far too many 20-22 floor "watered down" towers under construction/awaiting construction as it is. quality not quantity.

Gareth · July 1st, 2008, 06:40 PM

I reckon we don't count our chickens here. We're assuming that Maro's, or perhaps more accurately, Place North West's definition of mid-rise is similar to what we may think. It could be as small as seven storeys.

the golden vision · July 1st, 2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

This fuckin sites doing my head in.

That's more like it Paul! annoyings not the word.

Paul D · July 2nd, 2008, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the golden vision

That's more like it Paul! annoyings not the word.

That was after my fourth attempt at posting.

December 5th, 2007, 04:26 PM	#561
bustcapl Cork 2005 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,510 Likes (Received): 0	Agree Bugged a very sensible post! __________________ Support my New York marathon effort for Cystic Fibrosis www.justgiving.com/trevorcaplisnyc08

July 1st, 2008, 05:57 PM	#565
Paul D Phatang Phatang Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 11,662 Likes (Received): 325	It'll be interesting to see what they come up with,I wont dwell too much on the past if there's a couple of talls around the 20/25 storey mark,I just hope they're decent and any bars and restaurants offer great views of the river.Great to see this project is still very much alive though. __________________ Aerials installed Liverpool

July 1st, 2008, 06:10 PM	#566
Paul D Phatang Phatang Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 11,662 Likes (Received): 325	This sites so annoying lately,it never works. __________________ Aerials installed Liverpool Last edited by Paul D; July 1st, 2008 at 06:19 PM.

July 1st, 2008, 06:13 PM	#567
Paul D Phatang Phatang Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 11,662 Likes (Received): 325	This fuckin sites doing my head in. __________________ Aerials installed Liverpool

July 1st, 2008, 06:40 PM	#569
Gareth Keltlandia Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 8,963 Likes (Received): 59	I reckon we don't count our chickens here. We're assuming that Maro's, or perhaps more accurately, Place North West's definition of mid-rise is similar to what we may think. It could be as small as seven storeys. __________________ http://www.liverpoolmetropolis.org/

December 5th, 2007, 06:31 PM	#562
Martin S LIVERPOOL England Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,528 Likes (Received): 47	Very good reply Bugged. I really have no idea of just how many apartments should be built in the city centre. Not that long ago, many people would have said that there would have been no demand at all for city centre living in Liverpool. Now, we get nervous about the number of apartments that are being built or are in the planning system. The point is though that the more people who live in the city centre, the more attractive it becomes as a place to live. More people means more footfall for shops, bars, cafes etc and larger audiences for cinemas, theatres etc. As these facilities are sustained and added to, the more people want to live in the centre and the more popular and secure it becomes. The attractiveness of Liverpool City Centre should improve considerably over the next year as facilities such as the Grosvenor development come on line, streets are opened up and we have the ACC in operation. As to the question of where all these people are going to come from, it makes sense to look at the statistics. Liverpool has an area of some 40 square miles and a population of 440,000. That gives a density of some 11,000 people to the square mile. The city centre population given that it is spread over an area of about 1 square mile is presently around 13,000 and so is therefore hardly greater than the rest of the city, bearing in mind that this includes parks, industrial estates and the airport. As for the fact that most apartments are occupied by single people or couples without children - these form the majority of households in modern Britain. Even given a future city centre population of 25,000, that would only be just over 5% of the city population. Consider also that Liverpool City Centre is the focus of a city region of some 2 million people and the figures can be seen in perspective. There is only one other location that can compete with Liverpool in the North West and that is Manchester, which also has a thriving apartment market. At the end of the day, it will be the market that determines how many apartments are built. If there are two many, prices will go down and more people will be attracted into the area. If there are too few, prices will go up and more will be built.

July 1st, 2008, 12:09 PM	#563
buggedboy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,400 Likes (Received): 175	Taken from Place North West 250608 Maro Developments is preparing to submit new plans for the controversial Brunswick Quay site in Liverpool two years after the original designs were thrown out after a public inquiry. Apparently they are mid rise. we knew they were working on plans from those twee drawings. They have obviously firmed them up in the intervening period and are ready to go. Fair play for sticking with the city really, after all they had to put up with.

July 1st, 2008, 12:14 PM	#564
T0M Scousish Join Date: May 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 6,812 Likes (Received): 0	Hmmph. It's not quite long enough for the bitterness to have fully warn off, but I guess it'd be good to see something going up on this site. 20-25 storeys would be acceptable (if the actual designs are of a high enough quality) and help to pull the skyline south down the river.

July 1st, 2008, 06:35 PM	#568
paulmac35 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Metropolitan Borough of Sefton, Liverpool Posts: 2,244 Likes (Received): 0	nah would much rather leave the site untouched until such a time that such an iconic building (the original design) can be constructed. even if it takes years for the status quo to change. there are far too many 20-22 floor "watered down" towers under construction/awaiting construction as it is. quality not quantity.

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