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Old April 6th, 2017, 05:58 AM   #20141
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So why are you comparing then? You brought up those figures.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:01 AM   #20142
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Except I didn't. My comment was:

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Both. New York may be building taller for obvious reasons, but from experience (I split my time between the two), it's nowhere near the same volume in terms of units, master-planned schemes and scale of regeneration as you'd find in London. In terms of infrastructure investment, London is light-years ahead.

I didn't mean to create a city-vs-city debate, just an observation at a boom that continues to amaze me.

Only after that did investment volumes get thrown into the mix by someone else. That was never my intention.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:06 AM   #20143
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Well your statement got proven wrong and you still haven't provided us with anything to prove your original point. Still waiting for a fact based argument here.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:12 AM   #20144
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My statement was never proven wrong and when I tried to using disparate data sets to the best of my ability because there is no equivalency across agencies or time series, I got told that it wasn't an acceptable retort. Investment volumes have nothing to do with development activity because they measure something completely different and that's even noted in the graphics that were presented. I did not in fact say that London was building more skyscrapers; I said it was more in terms of units and regeneration.

Hudson Yards, Manhattan West, Atlantic Yards, Downtown Brooklyn, Long Island City (Hunters Point and Queens Plaza), the World Trade Center and Waterline Square are the only "clustered" and tangentially single-developer regeneration sites in New York that I can think of. You can add in Midtown East as a rezoning area if you'd like and maybe parts of the High Line with the Brooklyn Navy Yard and Red Hook as conceptual schemes. Now compare to Kings Cross Central, Nova, Elephant & Castle, Nine Elms, Battersea Power Station, Stratford's East Village, South Quay, Greenwich Peninsula, City Island, Woolwich, Southbank Place, Chelsea Watefront, Paddington Basin and the Ram Quarter alone off the top of my head in London. New York largely builds individual towers; it's more common to see conceptual, master-planned communities by a single developer in London. That's what I was aiming for.

I'm out. Sorry, SE9 and co.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:23 AM   #20145
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So NYC "largely builds individual towers" yet you pointed out quite a few "clustered" developments.
Now show me how those London developments amount to more than what's being built in NYC cause at the end of the day that's what we're talking about here, I'm still waiting. All you seem to have is a lousy opinion which you cannot prove. That's all it is.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:25 AM   #20146
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That said no offense but there's something to be said about your data, coming from someone who deals with data collection,you cannot compare data from different agencies, each with their own standards to make fair comparisons. .

I agree, take for instance the stat below. In the report, they say the 56,000 figure is for "apartments underway with expected deliveries before 2018" meaning completed by 2017, whereas the London figure may be for total apartments U/C with no delivery date restriction. Who knows?

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Residential construction (units):
  • London: approx. 66,000 (based on estimate of 20,000 in high-rise being 30% of Greater London development, NLA/FT)
  • New York: approx. 56,000 (Marcus & Millichap)

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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:34 AM   #20147
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So NYC "largely builds individual towers" yet you pointed out quite a few "clustered" developments.
Now show me how those London developments amount to more than what's being built in NYC cause at the end of the day that's what we're talking about here, I'm still waiting. All you seem to have is a lousy opinion which you cannot prove. That's all it is.

It seems that he values more "master-planned" projects more than the individual towers (even if the latter may amount to more than the former). Which is fine, just his preference. But it doesn't mean one is building more because of they're building more "master-planned" projects

The initial statement wasn't really innocuous, it was ""There is no western city building like London" and "nowhere near the same volume" which after a few posts got softened to "So at the moment, both are pretty evenly matched". which was really the only goal of my posting. And as I said in my first reply "Anyway, what both cities are doing is nothing short of impressive."
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Old April 6th, 2017, 06:35 AM   #20148
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Nothing left to be said here Streetscraper.

To the Londoners, sorry for hijaking your great thread. Love catching up on what's happening in that great city of yours.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 07:10 AM   #20149
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It's a great discussion. :-) THE LIKES ARE BACK.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 10:48 AM   #20150
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As this is a typically picture-heavy thread, could people kindly provide url links instead of embedding large images if you want to post photos or statistics of other cities here. Cheers.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 10:59 AM   #20151
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Not to start a city v city or anything..
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Old April 6th, 2017, 11:09 AM   #20152
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Lendlease gets nod for fourth London Stratford project

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/...tford-project/



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Joint developers Lendlease and London & Continental Railways have gained consent for their fourth major building at the International Quarter development at Stratford in east London.

Designed by Stirk Harbour + Partners, the new building will create 280,000 sq ft of new workspace across 10 storeys and sit in a prominent location on the site.

Lendlease is presently carrying out some site preparation works and is expected to start construction works on the Ģ45m project later this year.

This planning consent builds on the progress being made at International Quarter London, which will welcome the first commercial tenant, Transport for London, to their new major office in September.

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Old April 6th, 2017, 01:29 PM   #20153
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Cheers. Good progress being made at the International Quarter. I'll reserve judgement on the buildings until they're all complete, the relationship and cohesion between plots being an important factor.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 01:30 PM   #20154
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As this page is beyond saving, and people frequently ask, here's the basic template that I use to post project updates here

Everyone has their own methods, I personally do this as I found it to be the easiest way to post information on a project in a concise, informative and aesthetically pleasing manner:



Project Name | Neighbourhood Postcode

London forum thread: <thread url> or N/A

Official website: <website url> or N/A



Location
  • Address: <plot/number, street, post town, postcode>
  • London borough: <borough name>
  • Station: <closest station> <network logo >

Project facts
  • Developer: <developer name>
  • Architect: <architect name>
  • Height: <height(s) AGL in metres>
  • Floors: <floor count(s) including ground>
  • Floorspace: <floorspace in mē>
  • Homes: <total residential units>

Concise sentence describing the current update. Three examples:
  • Project unveiling:
    Plans have been unveiled for <project name>, a planning application is expected <insert time frame>
  • Project proposal:
    Plans for <project name> have been submitted for approval, the planning application can be viewed <here (link to planning application)>
  • Project approval:
    Plans for <project name> have been approved by <local planning authority>

If applicable, relevant links or news articles on the update:

- News organisation 1: <headline/link to page>

- News organisation 2: <headline/link to page>

- News organisation 3: <headline/link to page>



Renders or photos:

<--- 1024px image width --->
  • Larger images are resized to a width of 1024px, with links to the larger version if necessary.
  • High quality renders sourced & clearer photos preferred, for presentation purposes.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 01:36 PM   #20155
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As an example, news of this project's approval...

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Lendlease gets nod for fourth London Stratford project

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/...tford-project/
... would be presented like this:



Building S9, International Quarter London | Stratford E20

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1809721

Official website: http://www.internationalquarter.london/



Location
  • Address: Plot S9, land adjacent to Westfield Avenue, London E20
  • London borough: Newham
  • Station: Stratford International | Stratford

Project facts
  • Developer: Lendlease | LCR
  • Architect: Rogers Stirk Harbour + Partners
  • Height: 42m
  • Floors: 10
  • Office space: 34,915mē

Plans for Building S9 of the International Quarter have been approved by the London Legacy Development Corporation:

- Building: Lendlease gets latest Stratford planning nod

- CoStar: Lendlease/LCR get consent for fourth Stratford office block

- International Quarter: Planning permission secured for fourth building at IQL






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Old April 6th, 2017, 02:56 PM   #20156
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London's numbers are heavily suppressed by the uncertainty of Brexit.
Guys, these numbers are measured in Dollars and Sterling dropped significantly after the Bexit vote. This is what is also skewing the numbers..
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Old April 7th, 2017, 01:06 AM   #20157
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As this page is beyond saving, and people frequently ask, here's the basic template that I use to post project updates here

Everyone has their own methods, I personally do this as I found it to be the easiest way to post information on a project in a concise, informative and aesthetically pleasing manner:

Thanks for sharing.
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Old April 7th, 2017, 01:27 AM   #20158
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hello can you say please how much towers are now under construction in london area (gran london) ? thanks for the answer !

or have you a list with towers
1.in construction
2.approuved
3. in project
4.on hold

etc thank you very much !
there's a list on wikipedia but not updated or exact i think
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ures_in_London
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Old April 7th, 2017, 01:46 AM   #20159
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Old April 7th, 2017, 01:48 AM   #20160
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Principal Tower | Shoreditch EC2

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=431133

Official website: http://principaltower.com/



Location
  • Address: Principal Place, Worship Street, London EC2
  • London borough: Hackney
  • Station: Shoreditch High Street | Liverpool Street

Project facts
  • Developer: Brookfield | Concord Pacific
  • Architect: Foster + Partners
  • Height: 161m
  • Floors: 51
  • Homes: 243



Construction progress at Principal Tower, photos by chest:



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