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Old December 16th, 2006, 01:01 PM   #561
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why arent they coming up with new innovative designs...like in dubai?
Let me get this straight - you think SwissRe isn't innovative? Probably the one skyscraper in the world that has received more attention than any other during the last 5 years? The building which has won several major awards including the RIBA Stirling Prize for Architecture?

Then we have 122 Leadenhall. Well, let's see... how many giant, triangular wedge-shaped skyscrapers with external glass lifts do you know of? Look at the base, which manages to create an extension of the neighbouring public space. Or the gradually decreasing floor plates as the building rises, allowing different sizes of tenants to be catered for.

Then there's the Bishopsgate Tower - with its dramatic pinnacle, folded "helter skelter" shape, an uplifted skirt-like base, energy-conserving solar panel cladding and a "snake-skin" texture.

Then there's London Bridge Tower, which manages to be reminiscent of the London captured by paintings of Canaletto, with their beautiful 17th century church spires. The tapering spire helps reduce the profile making it smaller and less bulky, yet at the same time giving it tremendous soar factor. The cladding is made of ultra-reflective "extra white" glass that will change colour depending on the weather and the time of day. Inside, the building is incredibly green and environmentally-friendly; it's also mixed-use and very accessible to the public. It's hard to imagine a more appropriate skyscraper for London. It's just perfect.

There are numerous other towers with unique and interesting high-quality designs - the Multiplex Tower, the Beetham Tower, Heron Tower, the Willis Building, etc.

How can you look through that list and claim there's a lack of innovation? If we were constructing a load of "boxy" skyscrapers with little thought or creativity going into them, I could understand. But London clearly has a unique and extremely varied collection of towers being proposed, and some of them will undoubtedly be seen as innovative (such as the already-built 30 St Mary Axe).

I really despair at some of the comments on this forum sometimes.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 03:10 PM   #562
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The moment London starts getting trully out of place, Dubai-esque buildings I am going to lose all respect for it.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 05:23 PM   #563
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Let me get this straight - you think SwissRe isn't innovative? Probably the one skyscraper in the world that has received more attention than any other during the last 5 years? The building which has won several major awards including the RIBA Stirling Prize for Architecture?

Then we have 122 Leadenhall. Well, let's see... how many giant, triangular wedge-shaped skyscrapers with external glass lifts do you know of? Look at the base, which manages to create an extension of the neighbouring public space. Or the gradually decreasing floor plates as the building rises, allowing different sizes of tenants to be catered for.

Then there's the Bishopsgate Tower - with its dramatic pinnacle, folded "helter skelter" shape, an uplifted skirt-like base, energy-conserving solar panel cladding and a "snake-skin" texture.

Then there's London Bridge Tower, which manages to be reminiscent of the London captured by paintings of Canaletto, with their beautiful 17th century church spires. The tapering spire helps reduce the profile making it smaller and less bulky, yet at the same time giving it tremendous soar factor. The cladding is made of ultra-reflective "extra white" glass that will change colour depending on the weather and the time of day. Inside, the building is incredibly green and environmentally-friendly; it's also mixed-use and very accessible to the public. It's hard to imagine a more appropriate skyscraper for London. It's just perfect.

There are numerous other towers with unique and interesting high-quality designs - the Multiplex Tower, the Beetham Tower, Heron Tower, the Willis Building, etc.

How can you look through that list and claim there's a lack of innovation? If we were constructing a load of "boxy" skyscrapers with little thought or creativity going into them, I could understand. But London clearly has a unique and extremely varied collection of towers being proposed, and some of them will undoubtedly be seen as innovative (such as the already-built 30 St Mary Axe).

I really despair at some of the comments on this forum sometimes.
Thank you Will, you posted exactly what I was thinking whilst sparing me the effort
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Old December 16th, 2006, 06:17 PM   #564
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You have to remember for a lot of people on SSC unless your city is building massive, bizarre looking towers that will remain empty for years, then you can't be taken seriously.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 07:25 PM   #565
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why arent they coming up with new innovative designs...like in dubai?
Sorry, are you comparing the capital of the world to a monstrosity f**kfest?
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Old December 16th, 2006, 07:56 PM   #566
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Here's another story. This is actually from a few months back, but I only found out today. According to Property Week, there are plans by Investream to redevelop this site, neighbouring the Willis Building. The scheme will contain at least 600,000 sq ft, so will include something quite tall -


I reckon it could be atleast 150m. It is literally right next to a brand new 125m tower, and it would step up very well from Lloyds and the steps of Willis. As long as Ruth 'the evil, sadistic, skyscraper hating bitch' Kelly doesn't stick her smelly undeserved oar in.

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Old December 16th, 2006, 08:16 PM   #567
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I expect we'll see another hulking glass block, like Plantation Place.

The two sites are pretty similar in area, and the floorspace will be almost the same too.

Large floorplates are needed in the City to compete with Canary Wharf.

Groundscrapers are also cheaper and easier to construct than skyscrapers.









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Old December 16th, 2006, 08:52 PM   #568
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Sorry, are you comparing the capital of the world to a monstrosity f**kfest?
Aw come on, Dubai isn't the Capital of the world

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Old December 16th, 2006, 09:28 PM   #569
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God I hope not Will, It is perfect for a 150m tower to step up from Willis
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Old December 16th, 2006, 10:59 PM   #570
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Dubai in my opinion is overrated and gets too much credit just because it's constructing highrises on every corner, but I'm not bashing it because it is a truly wonderful rich city to visit. Not comparable to London/NYC/Tokyo on a different scale.

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Old December 17th, 2006, 01:52 AM   #571
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Plantation Place is one of the worst buildings in London... Not for quality, but for the way it cheekily tries to cram as much floorspace into its walls as possible whilst trying to make minimal impact on the skyline. It personifies dull.

Just to think: we could have had a tower plus a park on the same site whilst providing the same floorspace
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Old December 17th, 2006, 03:21 PM   #572
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I agree with Tubeman. It had potential and it was wasted. Also the name makes it sound like they employ slaves in there... Rather eerie.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 12:44 AM   #573
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The cladding's beautiful though!
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Old December 18th, 2006, 01:47 AM   #574
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Here are some renderings of the new Walbrook Square development, posted by Jef.

Not sure if I like this. It's quite futuristic... but there's something about the design which seems really odd. The shape and overall form is confusing; it's bulky and could spoil views of the emerging cluster behind it. From certain angles it looks really stumpy and fat. What does everyone else think?




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Old December 18th, 2006, 01:53 AM   #575
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As I said in the UK section: I love it!
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Old December 18th, 2006, 01:54 AM   #576
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hmm, i cant decide if i like it or not either! yes, it is futuristic, but i cant decide, and i dont know why! overall i think i do, i feel it adds more variety to the skyline, theres nothing else quite like it there, in fact it is so unique and sleek, yes, i do like it!
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Old December 18th, 2006, 02:26 AM   #577
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Again...I really don't know. It's nice...perhaps...but not...perhaps?

This is such a confusing building.
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Old December 18th, 2006, 03:30 AM   #578
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The cladding's beautiful though!
I find the cladding monotonus and dull - it might well be the highest quality in the world, but when viewed on the skyline its nothing more than a huge wall of green, cheap looking glass that wouldnt be out of place down at CW

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Here are some renderings of the new Walbrook Square development, posted by Jef.

Not sure if I like this. It's quite futuristic... but there's something about the design which seems really odd. The shape and overall form is confusing; it's bulky and could spoil views of the emerging cluster behind it. From certain angles it looks really stumpy and fat. What does everyone else think?
And this thing is hideous - quite possibly one of the worst serious proposals i have ever seen in London. It looks like a giant blue version of Mr Blobby sitting in the centre of London.

It looks terrible at street level as they have obviously tried to shoehorn far more office space in than will actually fit on the site.

First Foster gives us the GLA and More London now he wants to give us this monster
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Old December 18th, 2006, 01:46 PM   #579
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Well itīs 100 times better than thee current building so...hell yes!
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Old December 18th, 2006, 02:36 PM   #580
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I find this building realy unpleasant -not the tower cos i quite like that, but the HUGE medium-rise bits that look like giant slugs on the skyline, hoovering up everything around them. Its all just so ungainly....
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