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Old May 29th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #6541
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Southbank Centre development looks fantastic...
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Old May 30th, 2013, 04:12 AM   #6542
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No... they will ruin its brut touch.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #6543
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Cant wait to see $1 billion new american embassy project gets started..
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Old May 30th, 2013, 10:19 AM   #6544
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No... they will ruin its brut touch.
Have you ever seen it in person? Whether somebody likes brutalism, it's pretty bad, especially cosmetically-speaking. I'm surprised they're not ripping it down and starting anew.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #6545
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Still not sure how this is going to work. I work in Marine industry (before closely related to merchant ships and now not so much) so pretty much know that for Europe routes to Asia are the busiest of all.

Container ships are coming to Rotterdam and everything gets unloaded to trains and lorries and gets delivered across Europe. If you do it through London, it will have an extra leg of shipment across the Channel anyway, so it's again time of loading this on ship or train (ship would be cheaper but slower), spending half day of getting it to Europe and unloading again, so won't work.

That's why DHL have their main hub in continental Europe as well.

What logistic park you have in mind? I didn't hear that before.
Ermmm.

London Gateway Logistics Park which will offer over 9 million sqft of storage space??

You do realise that London Gateway is financed by Dubai also?/

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At Britain’s new deep-sea port, the London Gateway, 25 miles east of the capital is what “growth” should look like: 36,000 jobs being created in a massive high-tech logistics park and a new piece of essential economic kit for Britain’s future.

As Simon Moore, London Gateway’s chief executive, says this is for the “mammoths of the sea” to connect London directly to China and India from 2013. All this is paid for by Dubai Ports world – for the government it seems to be a free lunch. The middle eastern investors are happy to be signing mega-deals like this in Britain, but it’s our failure to invest in the past that’s attractive.

Jamal Majid bin Thaniah, the vice-chairman DP World: “We noticed that some of the infrastructure in this part of the world, regretfully, is lagging behind”.
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The port will have the best tidal window access for deep-drafted vessels and a capacity of 3.5m TEUs per annum.

With six berths and the capability to handle the Ultra Large Container Ships, the terminal will deploy automated container handling systems and controls.

London Gateway port is designed to provide significant improvement in handling speeds, which will provide a significant reduction in the time spent in port. Automated stacking will reduce the vulnerability to adverse weather conditions.

Europe’s largest logistics park will be adjacent to and integrated with the port. This will provide huge savings in transport costs and benefit the environment by removing unnecessary transport movements and ‘empty’ miles for container transport and delivery vehicles. Speed to market will also be dramatically improved.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 11:56 AM   #6546
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"speed to market will be dramatically improved"
Probably only for anything going into the UK. Unless they're going to connect it up to HS1 to allow high speed european freight trains? Thought not..
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Old May 30th, 2013, 02:30 PM   #6547
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Unless they're going to connect it up to HS1 to allow high speed european freight trains? Thought not..
What is a European high speed European freight train?

If we're using the true meaning of high speed, only France currently has any. These are the TGV trains operating for La Poste.

Then there are a few 100mph, or 160kph, freight trains being run, such as the reefer trains from the South West of France to Paris, the swap body trains run for among others, DHL, in Germany, and in the UK, the Royal Mail trains which centre on London.

Intermodal trains carrying shipping containers only ever run at 75mph, or 120kph. These are not high speed by definition.

The London Gateway port will not need HS1 for speed purposes.

It might need it for loading gauge purposes if someone wants to run a train via the Channel Tunnel carrying high cube shipping containers (these are 9ft 6in high, or 2.9m high, whichever you prefer).

However, it's extremely unlikely I think that anyone will wish to connect a Continental European intermodal terminal via the Channel Tunnel with the new London Gateway port.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #6548
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Old May 30th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #6549
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Ermmm.

London Gateway Logistics Park which will offer over 9 million sqft of storage space??

You do realise that London Gateway is financed by Dubai also?/
Yes, I know that it's financed by DP World but 3.5 TEU for containers it's nothing to compare to Rotterdam which handles more than 10 mln TEU. The London port will basically serve UK only. It would be logistically expensive to serve any other country.

We are the island after all. London is the lagest avia hub in the World but it cannot be logistic hub for Europe just because of this reason.

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Old May 30th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #6550
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"speed to market will be dramatically improved"
Probably only for anything going into the UK. Unless they're going to connect it up to HS1 to allow high speed european freight trains? Thought not..
Would be extremely expensive as ship is currently the cheapest mode of transportation.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #6551
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Yes, I know that it's financed by DP World but 3.5 TEU for containers it's nothing to compare to Rotterdam which handles more than 10 mln TEU. The London port will basically serve UK only. It would be logistically expensive to serve any other country.

We are the island after all. London is the lagest avia hub in the World but it cannot be logistic hub for Europe just because of this reason.
I think you're spending to much time trying to prove you're right and actually missing what was said in the first place and because of this sounding increasingly annoying.

Nobody said it would knock Rotterdam of it's perch.

It was said that it will soon have the capabilities to become "ONE" of the busiest ports in Europe.

Over time the port will no doubt be expanded to allow more berths and further capacity.

Logistically for UK consumers this port will help reduce costs on goods and as the UK is one of the worlds largest unit importers and it means London Gateway will take current shipments of goods for "British" citizens which would otherwise head straight to Rotterdam or Antwerp and feed into Felixstowe.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 02:15 AM   #6552
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At present, many containers from the Far East and bound for the UK get decanted from the larger vessels in Rotterdam and shipped to Felixstowe aboard smaller vessels. With London Gateway, this could, in the future, happen in reverse. i.e. containers for mainland Europe decanted at London Gateway and transferred to Rotterdam, for example.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 11:03 AM   #6553
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I think you're spending to much time trying to prove you're right and actually missing what was said in the first place and because of this sounding increasingly annoying.

Nobody said it would knock Rotterdam of it's perch.

It was said that it will soon have the capabilities to become "ONE" of the busiest ports in Europe.

Over time the port will no doubt be expanded to allow more berths and further capacity.

Logistically for UK consumers this port will help reduce costs on goods and as the UK is one of the worlds largest unit importers and it means London Gateway will take current shipments of goods for "British" citizens which would otherwise head straight to Rotterdam or Antwerp and feed into Felixstowe.
Felixstowe is currently 6th busiest port in Europe. London Gateway can become bigger but I am afraid if would be done by cannibalizing some Felixstowe volumes.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 12:46 AM   #6554
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The aim of boris is to take the important jobs and business back to london/uk from rotterdam.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 01:35 PM   #6555
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London Dock | Wapping E1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...hp?p=103843653

Plans have been submitted for the London Docks project this week: New homes for Murdoch's former Fortress Wapping

The project will include 1,800 homes and over 20,000m˛ of commercial space:





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Old June 1st, 2013, 04:18 PM   #6556
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1 Commercial Street | Aldgate E1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=536615

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Old June 1st, 2013, 04:22 PM   #6557
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London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1478568

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Old June 1st, 2013, 04:29 PM   #6558
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London never fail to impress me mate.
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Old June 1st, 2013, 04:35 PM   #6559
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The Tower at St. George Wharf | Vauxhall SW8

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=221585

Tower nearly complete. Photo update taken this week:

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Old June 1st, 2013, 04:36 PM   #6560
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London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=321409

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