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Old July 17th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #6941
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tall buildings at least allow us to have some cake and eat it... reduced impact on green field sites including parks and generous living space allowance.

Would be interesting to see if more tall buildings end up being proposed if when minimum space standards are introduced and if when the private rent market becomes tightend up
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Old July 17th, 2013, 03:05 PM   #6942
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Over the last 20 years, and especially the last 10, population growth has been phenomenal. Within the city limits alone:

1991: 6,829,300

+7%

2001: 7,322,400

+12%

2011: 8,174,100
Not far of its pre-war peak of 8.6 million (before evacuation, war and suburbanisation).
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Old July 17th, 2013, 03:11 PM   #6943
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Not far of its pre-war peak of 8.6 million (before evacuation, war and suburbanisation).
That'll be topped in a couple of years. The ONS estimate for London's population in 2012 was 8,308,369.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 03:16 PM   #6944
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London Heathrow Airport | 3rd Runway Proposal

UK forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1462748

Heathrow Airport has this morning submitted its proposals for a 3rd runway at the airport. The proposals explore 3 possible runway sites: Heathrow submits third runway plan to Davies Commission

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Old July 17th, 2013, 03:55 PM   #6945
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The Shard | Southwark SE1

London forum thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=407549

It has been announced today that Al Jazeera will open a new studio in The Shard. They are the first confirmed commercial tenant in the tower, in what is being described as the biggest letting deal in London for 8 years: Al Jazeera to open a new studio in The Shard



Al Jazeera currently broadcast their English language news channel from their broadacting centre in Knightsbridge, London:

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Old July 17th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #6946
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good new for the shard and great for Aljazeera to have an office at such a fabulous high tech building
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Old July 17th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #6947
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That is good news for Shard and this is interesting, I wonder if it relates to the old Three Spires site?

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Mr Sellar also said two new apartment towers would be built between The Place and Shard designed by original architect Renzo Piano.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...d-8713331.html
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Old July 17th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #6948
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Over the last 20 years, and especially the last 10, population growth has been phenomenal. Within the city limits alone:

1991: 6,829,300

+7%

2001: 7,322,400

+12%

2011: 8,174,100
In a few years London might become the largest city in the western world.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 12:59 AM   #6949
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In a few years London might become the largest city in the western world.
At the 2012 estimate, London was 8,308,369 and New York was 8,336,697. The difference in rate of growth should see London gain that title as early as next year.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 01:40 AM   #6950
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^in terms of city proper, Moscow at 12 million.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 01:56 AM   #6951
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Moscow isn't considered the 'Western World' nor does it consider itself as such.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 03:38 AM   #6952
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Hello,

Watched an Imagine Documentary about the Architect Richard Rogers the other night. Was fascinating to learn about the early partnerships/friendships between Rogers, Renzo Piano (The Shard) & Norman Foster as well as the influences that led The Lloyds Building & Leadenhall. Here's the iPlayer link, if those of you in The UK are interested.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rs_Inside_Out/
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Old July 18th, 2013, 04:26 AM   #6953
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At the 2012 estimate, London was 8,308,369 and New York was 8,336,697. The difference in rate of growth should see London gain that title as early as next year.
Except that NYC isn't just the 'city proper'. If there was such a thing as "Greater NYC" you'd be looking at about 18mill. No competition :-D
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Old July 18th, 2013, 05:14 AM   #6954
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Except that NYC isn't just the 'city proper'. If there was such a thing as "Greater NYC" you'd be looking at about 18mill. No competition :-D
You're absolutely right, London itself has a population about 3 Million people compared to NYC's 8 Million. If there was such a thing as Greater NYC that number would be well around the 18 Million according to statistics.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 07:18 AM   #6955
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SE9, as always many thanks for the updates.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:51 AM   #6956
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London Heathrow Airport | 3rd Runway Proposal

North proposal



Northwest proposal



Southwest proposal



Interesting to see the southwest proposal for the third runway is not mutually exclusive from the north/northwest proposals and leaves room for a fourth.
That is still two runways behind Schipol, how long until the campaign for the fourth runway begins? I hate to agree with Boris but an Isle of Grain hub with an extended Crossrail and HS1 connection is looking the better option and perhaps any loss of earnings in the area will balanced by increase in property prices when the noise is gone.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #6957
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London Mayer vs Heathrow Airport

The Mayor of London Boris Johnson wants to shut down Heathrow Airport to build a Garden City ( source ) This is what he thinks " The closure of Heathrow, Europe's largest airport, would be a "fantastic opportunity for London" to develop a garden city or a new royal borough, the mayor has said as he outlined plans for a new £50bn hub in the south-east. " Also he is proposing to build a new four runway hub ( source ) at three possible locations for the hub airport include at outer estuary airport off the Kent coast, dubbed 'Boris Island', built entirely on reclaimed land, an inner estuary on the Isle of Grain, as well as the expansion of Stansted Airport in Essex.

what do you think ... are they really shut down heathrow?????
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Old July 18th, 2013, 09:54 AM   #6958
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Except that NYC isn't just the 'city proper'. If there was such a thing as "Greater NYC" you'd be looking at about 18mill. No competition :-D
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You're absolutely right, London itself has a population about 3 Million people compared to NYC's 8 Million. If there was such a thing as Greater NYC that number would be well around the 18 Million according to statistics.

Er, no. I have no idea what you mean by London itself being 3 million. Inner London is about that - but then if London is only inner London then New York is only Manhattan. Greater London is the city proper really. It's called Greater London to distinguish it from the City of London (pop. 7,400) which is the square mile that was originally London way back in the middle ages.

The statistic of 18 million is for New York's metro area. According to wikipedia this has a population of 18.897 million in an area of 11,842 sq mi.

There is no direct comparison for London because the UK doesn't use metro areas. However, if we take London plus the home counties (those counties that border Greater London - Kent, Essex, Surrey, Hertfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire) that is a population of 15.540 million in 5,952 sq mi.

To get to an area of comparable to the New York metro area you would have to further include Hampshire, West and East Sussex, Cambridgeshire and Oxfordshire which bring the total population to 20.375 million in an area of 11,183 sq mi.

Also, interesting to note: I lived in Hampshire for a while whilst working in London. The train to London everyday was rammed, quite often I had to stand. There were four trains an hour with eight carriages each. So I'd feel reasonably confident in saying the London metro area stretches at least partly into Hampshire.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 10:40 AM   #6959
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^ Exactly.

The city proper population of NYC and London are both 8.3 million.

Metropolitan areas are calculated differently around the world, and in cases like the UK not calculated at all. You can only genuinely compare two cities' metropolitan statistics if they're judged using the same statistical body and criteria, which isn't the case for New York and London. Interestingly, for the area that the New York metro area constitutes (11,842 sq mi), London has a population of over 20 million.



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SE9, as always many thanks for the updates.
No problem, more new (high profile) updates expected today!
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Old July 18th, 2013, 10:48 AM   #6960
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There is no direct comparison for London because the UK doesn't use metro areas.
Not everyday but you can look up statistics as such. Eg, Edinburgh is only about 500k but there are about 1mil in the metro area. Definitions differ, and there are a lot of arguments about what constitues a metro area but they include things like %of people who work in the urban core, density, contiguous built up area, shared infrastructure, housing etc. For what Greater London describes (and for that matter 'Greater Paris") is the metro area. Describing the city itself wouldn't be the square mile, nor would it be Manhatten.

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However, if we take London plus the home counties (those counties that border Greater London - Kent, Essex, Surrey, Hertfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire) that is a population of 15.540 million in 5,952 sq mi.
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This is not a single continuous built up area where the majority work within the city. Those are outlying commuter towns. Difference between a commuter town and a metro area is a lot of people go back and forth. Most people who live in those areas will work in them. What percentage of people reverse commute from London to these places? A lot of people in Brooklyn work in Manhatten and crucially the opposite is also true.

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To get to an area of comparable to the New York metro area you would have to further include Hampshire, West and East Sussex, Cambridgeshire and Oxfordshire which bring the total population to 20.375 million
For NYC you'd be looking at what the Americans term a CSA which would include large parts of New Jersey and Connecticut.

More people live in NYC, it's not a competition. If it were then I could point out that this is specifically the "western hemisphere" and for the whole world London would be about 18th
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